Who uses Noatikl

[ghettosynth]

Good to know. I was working off of old information. I've never actually tried to install midi-yoke on my Win 7 machine, I purchased loop-be when midi yoke wouldn't install on my Vista machine. At the time, there were not clear instructions for getting it to work and it wouldn't install for me.

I have other reasons to have a tight virtual midi port, so I'll explore that, however, it doesn't really explain the sloppiness as a VST.

Have you tried it as a VST?

I only use the vst version.

If you only use the VST version, then why do you need a virtual midi port?

From what I gather not all DAWS support vst to vst midi routing so you need to use a virtual midi cable.

I know ableton needs midi yoke as does reaper. Synapse Audio Orion does not need a virtual midi cable. I think fl studio needs one setup.

Have not tried any other DAWS.

So I'm using reaper and reaper routes midi between plugins. It works well with other midi generating plugins like Reaktor. Sprial is nice and tight, I don't have any sloshy timing problems at all.

In fact, it has been the best solution for me as a host for live midi tools built in reaktor.

[ezelkow1]

I know ableton needs midi yoke as does reaper. Synapse Audio Orion does not need a virtual midi cable. I think fl studio needs one setup.

Have not tried any other DAWS.

Ableton doesnt need midi yoke if its for a vst. You can select a tracks midi input to be the midi output of another vst. The only thing it wont let you select is different midi channels from a vst, it will only do one.

[ghettosynth]

I know ableton needs midi yoke as does reaper. Synapse Audio Orion does not need a virtual midi cable. I think fl studio needs one setup.

Have not tried any other DAWS.

Ableton doesnt need midi yoke if its for a vst. You can select a tracks midi input to be the midi output of another vst. The only thing it wont let you select is different midi channels from a vst, it will only do one.

Of course that's right. It's not stable in either reaper or live for me. I notice that the timing tightens up a little if you turn off partikle, maybe. But it definately sounds like a drunk drummer.

I'll do some more experimentation later.

[spidergod]

I know ableton needs midi yoke as does reaper. Synapse Audio Orion does not need a virtual midi cable. I think fl studio needs one setup.

Have not tried any other DAWS.

Ableton doesnt need midi yoke if its for a vst. You can select a tracks midi input to be the midi output of another vst. The only thing it wont let you select is different midi channels from a vst, it will only do one.

With midi yoke I can use midi channels 1 to 16 which is great for setting up different vsts using different sections (and also setting up multi-timbral vst programs such as kontact etc).

[UncleAge]

Please clarify this for me... When the Noatikl plugin gives access to the IAC bus does it allow access to more than one midi channel at a time? Also, are there AU & VST options?

I asked this Q a bit earlier in the thread. Pete gave an answer but I believe it was incorrect, or at least it wasn't the info I was looking for. Since that time I have downloaded the plugin and tried it out and now I will answer both questions.

#1: Yes. There is a drop-down box in the GUI that allows the user to pick the midi port to use (like Consequence). It is possible to route midi data to any of 16 channels. However, at this time the user can only access one port at a time. To see how things might work I selected the "File/New/GenElements 1 Midi/ambient chording rhodes". I chose the IAC Bus 1 from the drop down dialog. After which I was able to assign the different channels to separate tracks in Ableton Live like I would any other midi inputs, thus allowing me to drive 16 different synths, samplers or whatever. Simple.

#2: Yes.

Now outside of that I have not checked the timing or any other items to see if it is buggy or not. But I do have one issue that is very annoying. Once the GUI is open it does not concede the foreground when another window is selected. And since the window is so big it makes it a difficult to change info in the Live interface and then switch to the Noatikl interface. Also, it does not seem to have this problem with other VST windows but it does with Safari and every other app I have open.

HTH

p.s. It was not my intent to come across in a derogatory manner in the first part of this post. I just wanted to post my findings in case it might be of use to someone else.

[pckvr]

#1: Yes. There is a drop-down box in the GUI that allows the user to pick the midi port to use (like Consequence). It is possible to route midi data to any of 16 channels. However, at this time the user can only access one port at a time. To see how things might work I selected the "File/New/GenElements 1 Midi/ambient chording rhodes". I chose the IAC Bus 1 from the drop down dialog. After which I was able to assign the different channels to separate tracks in Ableton Live like I would any other midi inputs, thus allowing me to drive 16 different synths, samplers or whatever. Simple.

Great - thanks for the confirmation of that!

#2: Yes.

Now outside of that I have not checked the timing or any other items to see if it is buggy or not. But I do have one issue that is very annoying. Once the GUI is open it does not concede the foreground when another window is selected. And since the window is so big it makes it a difficult to change info in the Live interface and then switch to the Noatikl interface. Also, it does not seem to have this problem with other VST windows but it does with Safari and every other app I have open.

I *totally* hear you on the windowing issue! The background reason for this is that the portability layer we use behind the scenes, which provides the "tabbed" interface which seems pretty popular with our users, only works [when in that mode] as a separate Window. Which then introduces the irritation you described (Mixtikl, which is "single document" and not tabbed, doesn't have this issue).

We're looking to fix this at some point later this year, by replacing that underlying layer of code, which will allow us to embed Noatikl (tabs and all) in the VST host window. That work should hopefully come-out of the ongoing efforts to port the Noatikl UI to iOS and Android, which is keeping me busy at the moment.

p.s. It was not my intent to come across in a derogatory manner in the first part of this post. I just wanted to post my findings in case it might be of use to someone else.

All I can say is: many thanks for your honest feedback.

We'll keep trying hard to improve Noatikl - we've been working on this for the past 20 years or so now, and it is a process of continuous improvement.

Best wishes,

Pete

P.S. Many thanks spidergod for the really helpful posts about Reaper - top man!

[spidergod]

I know ableton needs midi yoke as does reaper. Synapse Audio Orion does not need a virtual midi cable. I think fl studio needs one setup.

Have not tried any other DAWS.

Ableton doesnt need midi yoke if its for a vst. You can select a tracks midi input to be the midi output of another vst. The only thing it wont let you select is different midi channels from a vst, it will only do one.

Of course that's right. It's not stable in either reaper or live for me. I notice that the timing tightens up a little if you turn off partikle, maybe. But it definately sounds like a drunk drummer.

I'll do some more experimentation later.

Best thing to do is get midi-ox as that can show what is happening with the midi data.

http://www.midiox.com/

Also join the intermorphic forum and raise a post under the bug report section of the noatikl section.

[spidergod]

My first proper track using noatikl version 1 back in 2008 :

[pckvr]

My first proper track using noatikl version 1 back in 2008 :

My word - you really are a *mega* Noatikl expert - 2008!!!

Top link, many thanks for that - sounds seriously amazing - I remember hearing that a few years ago. You've had > 45K views for that video!!

Pete

[Madrayken]

I use Noatikl on occasion.

The reason I don't use it more is simply that the level of redundancy/replication within the interface confuses the heck out of me each time I come back to it. As a result, I'm often unsure which of the 'n' sets of notes I have set up my track is being used!

A *long* look at the manual each time and I'm clearer, but I do think it could be more intuitive. Disabling irrelevant tabs when the 'voice-type' is unsuitable would help a load.

That said, I've produced some lovely and 'block-breaking' leads that fitted with my own style, so I do find myself coming back every so often.

[spidergod]

My first proper track using noatikl version 1 back in 2008 :

My word - you really are a *mega* Noatikl expert - 2008!!!

Top link, many thanks for that - sounds seriously amazing - I remember hearing that a few years ago. You've had > 45K views for that video!!

Pete

It was along time ago:) Was an early adopter of noatikl and I have still barely touched the surface of it.

I am surprised that the video got that many hits.

Thanks for the kind words.

[pckvr]

I use Noatikl on occasion.

The reason I don't use it more is simply that the level of redundancy/replication within the interface confuses the heck out of me each time I come back to it. As a result, I'm often unsure which of the 'n' sets of notes I have set up my track is being used!

A *long* look at the manual each time and I'm clearer, but I do think it could be more intuitive. Disabling irrelevant tabs when the 'voice-type' is unsuitable would help a load.

I totally understand what you're saying and that is something we're going to address either in Noatikl 2 or Noatikl 3. We have some neat ideas about how to do this, and it's going to be good!

That said, I've produced some lovely and 'block-breaking' leads that fitted with my own style, so I do find myself coming back every so often.

Excellent to hear - I'm very glad that you've found Noatikl can make some lovely music.

Best wishes,

Pete

[pckvr]

I am surprised that the video got that many hits.

Thanks for the kind words.

Lets face it spidergod - you're *really* good at what you do.

Best wishes,

Pete

[ezelkow1]

I seem to be getting a bunch of crashes in ableton 8 on win7x64. I think it seems fairly stable as long as I leave the window open, seems anytime I close the window or the 'show editor' window, thats when problems start to crop up/freezes/hangs/etc

Really tempted to grab the vst version as I just made 3 midi parts with some usable stuff in each one within ~15min, just the crashing has me worried

[pckvr]

I seem to be getting a bunch of crashes in ableton 8 on win7x64. I think it seems fairly stable as long as I leave the window open, seems anytime I close the window or the 'show editor' window, thats when problems start to crop up/freezes/hangs/etc

Really tempted to grab the vst version as I just made 3 midi parts with some usable stuff in each one within ~15min, just the crashing has me worried

Hi!

We've just uploaded an update, which fixes a crash in the plug-in if you tried playing the plug-in with no document open!

I hope that explains/fixes the problem...!

Best wishes,

Pete