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Mike20 · Post by **Mike20** » Thu May 24, 2012 12:06 pm

Hey, I'm trying to get snares similar to this one, the ones in the example are very wide and sound really nice, however when i try to do the same with the snare samples I'm using it doesn't give this really wide balanced feel that these ones have.

I have tried sample delay but that doesn't cut it, neither does a simple stereo enhancement (Flux Stereo tool) - could it be the samples i am using? I am EQ'ing down to about 150hz - these snares sound a bit higher than that..

Anyway here they are - they start at 0.43 - but are heard in isolation at 1.29

Any tips or techniques greatly appreciated!

Thanks

Mike

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Thu May 24, 2012 12:53 pm

All I can hear is rather plain sampled 909 snare, with a bit of room reverb on it or sampled that way, and Haas effect on it. Oh yeah, and it's probably compressed before or after going into a reverb depending on what you want, but not much. It's also quite fat in the lower mids ~250Hz, and HPF-ed really low like 100Hz, I think...

Cheers!

Mike20 · Post by **Mike20** » Thu May 24, 2012 1:04 pm

Thanks - just when i tried to enhance the stereo image on my snares they didn't have that perfect feel that his does - his sound so nice and wide, where as mine lose everything and sound crappy..

Just researching the Hass effect now as i haven't heard of it before thank you

Mike20 · Post by **Mike20** » Thu May 24, 2012 1:11 pm

@ Dux - Am i corrent in saying the Haas effect is using sample delay (Very short delay up to 30ms) on say the Left, then putting the same effect on but say 25ms on the right?

Not sure if I'm getting this correct - Would be great if you could share some info

Thank you!

Mike

Unaspected · Post by **Unaspected** » Thu May 24, 2012 3:38 pm

Mike20 wrote:@ Dux - Am i corrent in saying the Haas effect is using sample delay (Very short delay up to 30ms) on say the Left, then putting the same effect on but say 25ms on the right?

Not sure if I'm getting this correct - Would be great if you could share some info

Thank you!

Mike

The Haas effect does indeed involve delaying one side - a little pointless first delaying the left by 30ms and then the right by 25ms as that's a 5ms delay applied to the left in the first place. It works reasonably well up to around 15ms before it starts to become noticeable - especially with transient heavy content.

The main issue that you will encounter from using the Haas effect on snare drums is that you will get comb filtering if the signal is then summed to mono. Whether this sounds good or not is subjective.

To widen snares you might want to look at using layers and apply some widening effects only to the higher frequencies. Then you can keep the deeper punch centred. Keeping the decay tighter on the low frequencies compared to the highs can also sound quite nice.

stomachache · Post by **stomachache** » Sat May 26, 2012 5:21 am

I don't like time shifting for widening drums, at least from results I've gotten. It gets messy real fast. Tone works better. Directly comb filtering the channels in opposing ways, actually, widens the sound nicely. Other non-time based effects like distortion/sat can be adjusted in slightly different ways on the two sides for the same. Note that I don't take mono compatibility into consideration.

Theres Snares - As simple as they sound?