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simesf · Post by **simesf** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:18 am

...and I'm pleased to say it all works perfectly. I downloaded the upgrade and 2 free rack extensions. I also bought ABL2 and Etch and everything was as smooth as silk & exactly as expected. All up and working with no fuss at all.

Really looking forward to seeing how rack extensions pans out.

CT · Post by CT » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:53 am

Yea, and the timing is perfect too. My sister got back in town today with my R6 upgrade, which I should receive in a few hrr. I wish I could just go over and pick it up but don't wanna pester her after a long flight

But it sucks that license transfers are not allowed for RE's.

Goseba · Post by **Goseba** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:38 am

I noticed Bitspeek was more expensive than the VST version, I thought RE's were supposed to be cheaper since they were host locked.

First impressions are very underwhelmed by the pricing and don't think I will be going down the RE route now. A shame, I was really looking forward to seeing what came about. Still, I will see how it develops.

Goseba · Post by **Goseba** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:50 am

Goseba wrote:I noticed Bitspeek was more expensive than the VST version, I thought RE's were supposed to be cheaper since they were host locked.

First impressions are very underwhelmed by the pricing and don't think I will be going down the RE route now. A shame, I was really looking forward to seeing what came about. Still, I will see how it develops.

Just seen a response to this on the Prop's forum regarding Bitspeek. It is due to the improvements to the product over the VST version, which in turn will go up in price if/when it gets updated.

eXode · Post by **eXode** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:20 pm

Goseba wrote:I noticed Bitspeek was more expensive than the VST version, I thought RE's were supposed to be cheaper since they were host locked.

First impressions are very underwhelmed by the pricing and don't think I will be going down the RE route now. A shame, I was really looking forward to seeing what came about. Still, I will see how it develops.

What, did you think that they would be free/appstore prices? There are some great prices in there. Compare Etch and Softube stuff to their VST/AU counterparts for instance.

popskull · Post by **popskull** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:54 pm

So Im supposed to pay for bitspeek and etch twice? I've already paid for them as a VST. No discount as a previous buyer just for format differences. Reminds me of buying CD's full price when vinyl was marketed out. The way plugins worked is I bought etch and I got win/mac vst component and pro tools versions. What if it all goes props way. We need to buy all these formats separately. No thanks. And development of reason doesn't look promising either for me. Any decent rack that was included in reason will now go up for sale as an extension.

decalogue · Post by **decalogue** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:01 pm

Fantastic!

Reason 6.5 works really great for me, with RE I'm probably back with Reason for a long time now.

The prices for RE plugins don't really matter, I'm simply going to support the companies who offer their products for the Reason platform.

popskull · Post by **popskull** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:18 pm

decalogue wrote:Fantastic!

Reason 6.5 works really great for me, with RE I'm probably back with Reason for a long time now.

The prices for RE plugins don't really matter, I'm simply going to support the companies who offer their products for the Reason platform.

If you use two DAWS , Reason and say LIVE, you will be paying for that vst twice

gamecat666 · Post by **gamecat666** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:21 pm

I love the idea of it being like an app store with everything in one place, one account, and the try/buy on everything.

bad new for compulsive 'gotta have them all' types though

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:24 pm

gamecat666 wrote:I love the idea of it being like an app store with everything in one place, one account, and the try/buy on everything.

bad new for compulsive 'gotta have them all' types though

Indeed, some of prop's customers are like that with their own products. I wonder if you're going to get a different forum icon for each RE you own. That would indeed be funny.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:30 pm

gamecat666 wrote:bad new for compulsive 'gotta have them all' types though

Or for people who have always considered Reason's greatest strengths to be the fact that the user base can easily collaborate using the exact same gear. You can only run demo mode for a limited time, so for anyone you regularly collaborate with you will need to buy all the same stuff they have (or bounce everything down to audio and have huge file sizes). Very much swings and rounderbouts.

decalogue · Post by **decalogue** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:31 pm

eigens wrote:
decalogue wrote:The prices for RE plugins don't really matter, I'm simply going to support the companies who offer their products for the Reason platform.
If you use two DAWS , Reason and say LIVE, you will be paying for that vst twice

I see your point. However, IMO I'm not really paying for a VST twice. I'm paying for a VST version and a RE version, separately. These platforms are very different, and RE makes possible some routing magic that simply isn't possible to do with the VST counterparts. But I agree that some sort of cross-platform deals and/or discounts would be welcome. I guess they'll come sooner or later.

myrna · Post by **myrna** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:36 pm

decalogue wrote:Fantastic!

Reason 6.5 works really great for me, with RE I'm probably back with Reason for a long time now.

The prices for RE plugins don't really matter, I'm simply going to support the companies who offer their products for the Reason platform.

Excuse me, but what's the REal difference between Reason and Reason+RE? I mean, RE is not VST (thousands of choices). What I actually see is a dozen 8-10 years old vst instruments now sold as reason racks. The day I can see Omnisphere, Kontakt, Pianoteq, Sampletank, Sylenth1, Reaktor, Alchemy etc. in Reason i will say "finally". But I doubt it will ever be done. "Swedish" RE prices, though... if i consider last week I bought AAS strum electric for 20$ and IKM CSR for the same price last month...

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:37 pm

eigens wrote: And development of reason doesn't look promising either for me. Any decent rack that was included in reason will now go up for sale as an extension.

THIS ... is the killer.

A simple case study of what is in the Propellerhead store at present: the company has itself released its first three RE products. They are:

+ Radical Pianos (79 euros)
+ Polar (55 euros)
+ Pulsar (39 euros after initial offer).

Total = 173 euros.

This cost is MORE than any Reason full version upgrade costs, but offers far LESS than any full Reason upgrade has ever offered...

It seems quite likely that Propellerhead can see RE as a cash cow moving forward, and that development of the core software is unlikely from a business point of view to take priority. Very sad.

At least with RE you can pick and choose what you want (and as a professional pianist I have listened to all the demos for Radical Piano and have to say ... Really??!! It's simply awful sounding and terribly dated compared to for example Pianoteq Stage.)

gamecat666 · Post by **gamecat666** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:38 pm

myrna wrote:What I actually see is a dozen 8-10 old years vst instruments now sold as reason racks. The day I can see Omnisphere, Kontakt, Pianoteq, Sampletank, Sylenth1, Reaktor, Alchemy etc. in Reason i will say "finally". But I doubt it will ever be done.

I think it will probably happen (perhaps not to the extent of omnisphere, but something like Sylenth1 should be relatively straighforward.), but what you are seeing is probably (im guessing) a result of people not having the SDK for very long, so doing a quick and easy port of an existing simple VST to test the water, and importantly getting it on the store for launchday.
I doubt anything like reaktor will happen though. Smaller modulars (ACE?) would be interesting, the 'front' of the panel would have to be on the back

Just downloaded Reason 6.5 plus a couple of RE's from the shop...