Reason 6.5 - Any new workflow features, or just RE?

[Crackbaby]

I just bought Retouche's MaschineR so i can control Reason with my Maschine .. works pretty cool It certainly makes Reason a hell of a lot more fun to use (You need loopbe30, and that cost 16€ - IF you use reason in 64 bit, otherwise midiyoke works (and i think it's free?))
A guy from Retouche replied to me and said that they're working on making sure it's compatible with 6.5. From what i can tell, it already is.

My troubles with installation and update of reason has been solved by the way. I did the same thing as the guy on page 6 and installed drivers from the codemeterguys themselves .. that seemed to sort it out.

Im very excited in the way things are going with props. The cost for the RE plugs worries me a bit though. The guy who makes ABL2 said there were no crossgrade ... and that i could use my ABL in rewire ... Anyway, it's without the sequencer so it's only half a 303. The sequencer probably has a higher value if you can sequence other synths with it. Maybe someone else will make one!

[Richard_Synapse]

The prices are quite high ........... 65€ for a ring modulator?!

49€ for ABL2 is ok .. but i own it as a vst, should i now pay that? ... uh.

It's not "a" ring modulator, check the description. I don't even think a VA ring modulator has ever been done in software before.

Richard

[Crackbaby]

You're right Richard, i was a bit hot on the guns there. Sorry.

After reading the description (twice ) it turns out to be a very interesting plugin! I will try it tomorrow as it's bedtime here. Still ..... if you want to build up a new virtual studio in Reason ... things are going to cost and it's going to be expensive.. Who's the target group when you set the price to 65€? If the idea is to sell to those going over from previous host to Reason, what is the assumed budget? If the user has 200€ to spend, i highly doubt a quarter will go to one very cool gadget. As more plugs are added to the market, the higher the competition.
My view may be biased as i still have a bitter memory of you having some sale on Orion at 50% not too long after i bought it.

[fceramic]

Sure the RM-1 is a nice simple effect plugin, but charging 79 bucks for a ring-modulator, VA or not, is a bit far-fetched. I'm sure at 30-40 bucks it would sell like hot-cakes and also match the prices of other modulation plugs. Most people, and especially not reason users, care about that a plugin is modelled after X or has a 4 quadrant multiplication. Most people don't even know what a ring modulator does!

I know I would have easily picked it up at 29 bucks. But as it is now almost every other RE offer more bang for the buck.

[eXode]

Am I the only one completely blown away by this?! :shock: :cry: :lol:

This is like my dream! :love: Look at all those RE's now! This is going to be killer.

However I've not used reason since 2.5 and I never did quite get the design of 3.0 so maybe I won't like it as much as I thought!

I have to admit that as a long time Reason user, the biggest 'leap' was with record and Reason 6. It took me some time to adjust to the new 3 screen paradigm and the new mixer (even though the mixer is awesome).

[kmonkey]

I have to admit that as a long time Reason user, the biggest 'leap' was with record and Reason 6. It took me some time to adjust to the new 3 screen paradigm and the new mixer (even though the mixer is awesome).

Yup it's really awesome. I am still doing battle on my screen to arrange everything how i like and i didn't expect this mixer to be anything revolutionary but it feels natural and one can get really nice results with using EQ and dynamics on the mixer. It is really good.

[Crackbaby]

I had some time to dig through the manual for MaschineR and i realize how extremely well made this program is. Maybe i should make a separate thread for it though...

[kae]

Who told you that? You can buy something but you can't sell afterwards?

If I understood it correctly, the RE's are tied to your PH account and not to your Reason license. And you can't transfer your account.

[Richard_Synapse]

Sure the RM-1 is a nice simple effect plugin, but charging 79 bucks for a ring-modulator, VA or not, is a bit far-fetched. I'm sure at 30-40 bucks it would sell like hot-cakes and also match the prices of other modulation plugs. Most people, and especially not reason users, care about that a plugin is modelled after X or has a 4 quadrant multiplication. Most people don't even know what a ring modulator does!

Sure, ring modulation is a somewhat exotic effect, but that doesn't mean that there's no difference in sound or quality. Other than the digital multiplication, there's at least 3-5 different analog ways to multiply two signals, all sounding different, and ihmo more interesting than the standard digital implementation. We could have made a basic digital ring modulator and give it away for free (since it's trivial to make one), but that's not what we wanted to do here.

Richard

[eXode]

Richard, after that excellent filter, any plans on doing more modular components? A dual or even triple oscillator bank with individual outputs for each waveform on the back, but still with lfo, sync and fm (lin+exp) possibilities and the inclusion of a famous "sharktooth" waveform? A dual ADS(+R) with integrated VCA? Those with the filter could be sold in a bundle perhaps.

Also, if you are ever doing updates I'd suggest that you add audio inputs for filter freq and res modulation as well beside the CV inputs. Esp so if you do decide to make something like that mentioned above. :)

Hehe, one can ask/wish atleast. ;)

[whyterabbyt]

Sure, ring modulation is a somewhat exotic effect, but that doesn't mean that there's no difference in sound or quality. Other than the digital multiplication, there's at least 3-5 different analog ways to multiply two signals, all sounding different, and ihmo more interesting than the standard digital implementation. We could have made a basic digital ring modulator and give it away for free (since it's trivial to make one), but that's not what we wanted to do here.

Richard

OT, no doubt, but is there any possibility there'll be a non-Reason version of this as a VST effect. As I said in a different thread a couple of days ago, Ive been wanting a proper modelled RM plugin for years.

[Richard_Synapse]

OT, no doubt, but is there any possibility there'll be a non-Reason version of this as a VST effect. As I said in a different thread a couple of days ago, Ive been wanting a proper modelled RM plugin for years.

The RM should be possible, as most VST hosts support sidechaining by now. Due to the lack of CV Inputs, we might have to add a LFO though.

Richard, after that excellent filter, any plans on doing more modular components? A dual or even triple oscillator bank with individual outputs for each waveform on the back, but still with lfo, sync and fm (lin+exp) possibilities and the inclusion of a famous "sharktooth" waveform? A dual ADS(+R) with integrated VCA? Those with the filter could be sold in a bundle perhaps.

Also, if you are ever doing updates I'd suggest that you add audio inputs for filter freq and res modulation as well beside the CV inputs. Esp so if you do decide to make something like that mentioned above.

Hehe, one can ask/wish atleast.

Great idea, haven't thought about that yet Could be part of a synth too? That way it may attract more users who don't want to patch up stuff themselves.

Richard

[eXode]

Richard, after that excellent filter, any plans on doing more modular components? A dual or even triple oscillator bank with individual outputs for each waveform on the back, but still with lfo, sync and fm (lin+exp) possibilities and the inclusion of a famous "sharktooth" waveform? A dual ADS(+R) with integrated VCA? Those with the filter could be sold in a bundle perhaps.

Also, if you are ever doing updates I'd suggest that you add audio inputs for filter freq and res modulation as well beside the CV inputs. Esp so if you do decide to make something like that mentioned above. :)

Hehe, one can ask/wish atleast. ;)

Great idea, haven't thought about that yet :) Could be part of a synth too? That way it may attract more users who don't want to patch up stuff themselves.

Richard

Absolutely. I have so many potential ideas for stuff really but no coding skills of my own to make it happen my self. Haha. :)

I'm a bit of a modular head and I'd like to see something like this: Scroll down to SYSTEM 16 A.

I mean, I have many variants. A pre-patched version of the above but with a mod matrix that allows complete "virtual patching" similar to Thor (in the actual mod matrix concept) is one variant. A mono synth with patching on the back would be another solution.

Also I'd like to clarify the following on the request for audio inputs. CV signals in Reason is by design only running at a 64th of the audio rate. Don't ask me why but that's how it is. That is why some devices in Reason such as Pulsar and the Pulveriser has audio I/O beside CV (but for CV duties, if that makes sense). In other words, in Reason you sadly can't do audio rate FM very well over the regular CV jacks, that is why I ask dev's to have both audio and CV I/O on the back even for CV duties.

So if a dev would do a patchable monosynth in Reason, I'd personally wish for both audio and CV I/O for CV duties so that you can patch up audio rate stuff within that device. :)

And as a side note, I have pestered props about making CV run at same res/speed as audio signals but I feel that it's quite low prio, sadly. :|

[eXode]

Richard, after that excellent filter, any plans on doing more modular components? A dual or even triple oscillator bank with individual outputs for each waveform on the back, but still with lfo, sync and fm (lin+exp) possibilities and the inclusion of a famous "sharktooth" waveform? A dual ADS(+R) with integrated VCA? Those with the filter could be sold in a bundle perhaps.

Also, if you are ever doing updates I'd suggest that you add audio inputs for filter freq and res modulation as well beside the CV inputs. Esp so if you do decide to make something like that mentioned above. :)

Hehe, one can ask/wish atleast. ;)

Great idea, haven't thought about that yet :) Could be part of a synth too? That way it may attract more users who don't want to patch up stuff themselves.

Richard

Sorry, I digress. Haha. Short answer: Part of a complete synth but with aforementioned patching or mod matrix would of course be awesome as well. :)

[FaX]

The prices are quite high ........... 65€ for a ring modulator?!

49€ for ABL2 is ok .. but i own it as a vst, should i now pay that? ... uh.

It's not "a" ring modulator, check the description. I don't even think a VA ring modulator has ever been done in software before.

Richard

It's freakin' awesome too - bought it on the first day and the Chorus is pretty wonderful also