Yes and this is something I personally feel is important to address in a future update to the RE standard. :)

Saying something can't be done, when it can, is quite misleading in discussions like these. Especially when there's already people giving incorrect information to people who are genuinely looking for answers.

Yet we often see Reason users in images & videos surrounded by hardware!! Propellerheads yesterday updated their Facebook cover photo. It shows someone sitting at a laptop running Reason flanked by Balance, a Doepfur Dark Energy & I think a Roland TB-303. Everyone's a gear head, even hardcore Reason users such as myself, which is why I'd LOVE to see the software spit out MIDI

MIDI out would decrease their RE sales because you are going to use your VST even though you loose the cable features of the REs, but still...

..... I should add that I think Rack Extensions are excellent news for Reason users, which as Reason user is all that really matters to me. I'm happy with the pricing so far. It ranges from free/25 Neurons at the lower end to somewhere not far over 100 Neurons at the other. That's fine with me. It's pretty much exactly what I expected. All good so far. Looking forward to seeing what comes along next

Some people have speculated in the past that this is the reason it's not in there. There may be some truth in it. But the bottom line for me is that I need some sort of MIDI control of my external & it would be very nice to be able to do this from Reason. It would make it a more complete package that can happily sit at the center of my Universe! I could use another DAW that does have MIDI-output, but what can I say, I'm a Reason head through & through! Currently employing the iPad2 to take care of MIDI control of external gear. It does a very good job actually. Takes the heat of Reason in this respect at least

Wow you are really smart and i am really really stupid. Where did i mislead people? Can you point me?

Look i could say "it can be done" for almost everything in digital domain and i still wouldn't lie (like you are saying).

That doesn't mean my claim would not be as stupid as it can be stupid (like your is).

If you plan to make your real 3D GUI's by using vectors so be it (i still wonder how in the world are you going to do it in efficient way....and how do you plan to make animations for these devices You do realize that for knobs and fader you need animation which is sequence of same pictures in movement..) - Also you did not provided real world example like i did. Please throw some light on me.

I really wish you good luck because if you decide to do it like it's your current methodology (what vector graphic for 3d GUI ? ) you are pretty much setting yourself for a major failure.

If anyone is interested i have downloaded and tested very single RE and wish to report fyi which ones have latency (as reason doesn't have pdc)

the largest by far is the izotope maximizer.. it would be unreasonable to even have it on the master bus and try and play instruments with acceptable latency.

The softube trident seems to have a tiny tiny bit, like maybe half a ms, as placing it on the track will show latency but if you mute the track you are cross checking it with (a duplicate of the track the effect is placed on, minus the effect, it is the easiest way to test latency), you will see the sound spring back to normal. That makes it a no go.. i have noticed the AU has 0.4ms latency.. I'd want to use eq all over the place and could not handle timing areas. You can get away with it on a vocal, but on drums i dare say no.

The softube FET has up to 1ms delay when using the look ahead.. same as the native version.. that said, this RE is an absolute must have.

TSAR has no latency thankfully.

Neptune has latency, master maximizer has latency with 4ms look ahead enabled, and the vocoder too but i am not sure how much. Since it's the only vocoder option besides the limited yet fabulous bitspeek(no latency), it could be an issue.

Polar i can't work out.. i *think* it does

so that's it, the rest are no latency, although it's some of the really good stuff that HAVE latency...

As far as props saying PDC would be a nightmare because of the modular structure, i understand, but for a basic multitrack going through the MAIN mixer they should be able to do it, like every other single DAW maker has.. NO EXCUSES!

I would have thought that an effective PDC is really difficult to implement in ANY host, modular (and there's others with complex routing paradigms!) or not.

Bottom line - if they can't compensate for the latency introduced even by their own devices then the Reason concept is kind of broken. I hope they fix it soon
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Polar has latency, the different amounts is specified in it's manual afaik. The vocoder in FFT mode gives 20~ ms of latency.

well until there is pdc then these effects are useless.

no wonder not one of the demo songs has the vocoder in it.

Reason 4.0 had a demo song with the vocoder. They change the songs after every release. The older ones were better.

I would disagree with you 100% on that fact - ever used a hardware harmonizer or vocoder and we all lived with midi delay and all sorts of signal round trips on hardware for years.
I'm finding them all more than useable myself.
Mind you i sequence on an MPC and have a lot of hardware as well.

You're...'re...kidd-dding...ing righ-ht...t?....?

It's the truth. Polar doesn't have more latency than the hardware Eventide Harmonizer. I'm not saying that this is a reason to disregard plugin latency compensation, but it's the truth about real hardware.