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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:17 am reply with quote
Still, I would map a regular mod-wheel to the Rotary switch. As is the default behavior. It's in roughly the right location, maintains the last position you left it in, it just happens to be 90 degrees to the usual half-moon switch. But at least it's not on some other box entirely where you have to reach somewhere unnatural for it.

(And sacrificing a hold pedal, which organ doesn't need, is another good way to go. Then you can switch speeds without lifting your left hand.)

I'd save the buttons for selecting the Percussion and Vib settings and any other toggle features.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:25 am reply with quote
AdmiralQuality wrote:
MikeCL wrote:
Oh yeah I forgot about that one, almost done with the system I'm building around VB3 it's a micro-ATX case crazy it's going to be faster then my desktop and cheaper.. around $250

You said you had to drill your keyboard sand to fit right? in order to save a little on cost I was going to try that setup you did


Yes. One of the stands has a cross-brace piece with holes in it where a spring loaded pin goes through. This lets you adjust the height. I needed to add a new hole between two existing holes to get this just right. The metal was very hard, the guy who did it for me said it took over an hour (the pin is about 1/2" diameter, so it's a big hole in hard metal).

I also added another hole at the hinge end, for more fine-tuning options.

The other X stand I'm using uses a lock in the center to set the height. That would be far more difficult to modify. You might have some trouble finding the exact same kind of stand I modified. Mine is a Yorkville. If you load their catalog pdf, it's
IKS-7 "Heavy Duty Single Tier / Single Brace Keyboard Stand"

http://www.yorkville.com/catalog/stand_cat.pdf


Hmm never seen a stand of that type before, mine has the pin where the two legs meet.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:30 am reply with quote
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AdmiralQuality wrote:
MikeCL wrote:
Oh yeah I forgot about that one, almost done with the system I'm building around VB3 it's a micro-ATX case crazy it's going to be faster then my desktop and cheaper.. around $250

You said you had to drill your keyboard sand to fit right? in order to save a little on cost I was going to try that setup you did


Yes. One of the stands has a cross-brace piece with holes in it where a spring loaded pin goes through. This lets you adjust the height. I needed to add a new hole between two existing holes to get this just right. The metal was very hard, the guy who did it for me said it took over an hour (the pin is about 1/2" diameter, so it's a big hole in hard metal).

I also added another hole at the hinge end, for more fine-tuning options.

The other X stand I'm using uses a lock in the center to set the height. That would be far more difficult to modify. You might have some trouble finding the exact same kind of stand I modified. Mine is a Yorkville. If you load their catalog pdf, it's
IKS-7 "Heavy Duty Single Tier / Single Brace Keyboard Stand"

http://www.yorkville.com/catalog/stand_cat.pdf


Hmm never seen a stand of that type before, mine has the pin where the two legs meet.


Yep, I have that variety as well. You'll see the mechanism in the photo I posted, right above the hinges of the double-X.

I wonder if someone makes an infinitely adjustable X-stand? Also, you might just luck out and find stands that go to heights you need.

Speaking of which, if you get a chance could you measure height from ground to key-top of upper and lower manuals of a B3 as well as bench-top and share them with us? I've looked these up before, but wouldn't hurt to double check. My rig was correct for upper manual and bench height (roughly). It was the lower manual I had to make lower than it should have been to make it all fit.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:01 pm reply with quote
AdmiralQuality wrote:
MikeCL wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:
MikeCL wrote:
Oh yeah I forgot about that one, almost done with the system I'm building around VB3 it's a micro-ATX case crazy it's going to be faster then my desktop and cheaper.. around $250

You said you had to drill your keyboard sand to fit right? in order to save a little on cost I was going to try that setup you did


Yes. One of the stands has a cross-brace piece with holes in it where a spring loaded pin goes through. This lets you adjust the height. I needed to add a new hole between two existing holes to get this just right. The metal was very hard, the guy who did it for me said it took over an hour (the pin is about 1/2" diameter, so it's a big hole in hard metal).

I also added another hole at the hinge end, for more fine-tuning options.

The other X stand I'm using uses a lock in the center to set the height. That would be far more difficult to modify. You might have some trouble finding the exact same kind of stand I modified. Mine is a Yorkville. If you load their catalog pdf, it's
IKS-7 "Heavy Duty Single Tier / Single Brace Keyboard Stand"

http://www.yorkville.com/catalog/stand_cat.pdf


Hmm never seen a stand of that type before, mine has the pin where the two legs meet.


Yep, I have that variety as well. You'll see the mechanism in the photo I posted, right above the hinges of the double-X.

I wonder if someone makes an infinitely adjustable X-stand? Also, you might just luck out and find stands that go to heights you need.

Speaking of which, if you get a chance could you measure height from ground to key-top of upper and lower manuals of a B3 as well as bench-top and share them with us? I've looked these up before, but wouldn't hurt to double check. My rig was correct for upper manual and bench height (roughly). It was the lower manual I had to make lower than it should have been to make it all fit.
I would guess it would be pretty slim to find a stand that goes that high due to it being unstable? I want to know why all 2 tier stands all need to angle the keyboard, I bet you would sell a bunch if it was layered.

I can get the measurements of the B3 but only after we move it out of storage whenever that will be.. trying to find another building to move to is hard right now, it's been in storage since at least March.

And as far as using the Akai for the switches maybe I lowered the settings for which the switch triggers haha Midi does not work like I thought in some areas.. It's not say a light press mean 1 and harder press will go like 2,3,4 and so on.. It's more like 1, 10, 30 and so on. The knobs really help
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:17 am reply with quote
I was thinking I can't check right now but can you use the mod wheel plus the sustain pedal not at the same time but use one or the other with no causing issues?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:01 am reply with quote
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I was thinking I can't check right now but can you use the mod wheel plus the sustain pedal not at the same time but use one or the other with no causing issues?


What issues would it cause?

I think you can even use them at the same time. I'll check later if I get a chance. (Only issue then is the pedal may have changed the state since the last mod wheel movement, so the Leslie won't be in the state the mod wheel is in. A quick flick of the mod fixes that though.)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:42 pm reply with quote
I think what you said about it changing state is what I'm talking about I think to cause less confusion I might just leave it to mod wheel use and use the pedal for a assignable thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:52 pm reply with quote
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I think what you said about it changing state is what I'm talking about I think to cause less confusion I might just leave it to mod wheel use and use the pedal for a assignable thing.


It's not confusing. If the Leslie isn't doing what you want, you reach for the wheel. If it's already where it should be, just wiggle it.

This is normal for a mod wheel. Keep in mind that it doesn't send any information about its position except when it's moving. So it doesn't conflict with the pedal.

Also, when you first power up, the organ sim has no idea where your mod wheel is until you move it. Same thing.

Also true with synth sounds played from MIDI. You can't trust the physical position of the mod wheel until after you've moved it. No big deal, this is totally normal. (If someone needs to look at the mod wheel to determine if the Leslie is in slow or fast mode, they probably shouldn't be playing organ in the first place. Smile )

I used mod wheel and pedal interchangeably all the time (when I wasn't using the real 145).
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:12 pm reply with quote
Yeah that part I know about the settings when moving controls and since the mod and the pedal should be linked to the same CC pressing the pedal to get fast when the mod is slow and releasing the pedal should go back to slow right? lol

I should know enough about midi after all of this! I've thought more about the M-audio board but I think I'm going to save for a Novation Impulse 61 So I'm just going to be running a single board.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:28 pm reply with quote
I've got an odd issue.. I pretty much labeled the stuff on the LPD 8 as toggle switches but having an issue with the percussion.. It will trigger in VB3 but the percussion does not sound but clicking the switch with the mouse the percussion does sound.

I'm using CC#66

not sure what else I'm doing wrong :-/
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:35 pm reply with quote
What do you mean by "It will trigger in VB3 but the percussion does not sound"?

You mean you see the control move in VB3, but you're not hearing the effect? That would be strange. (Keeping in mind we don't expect to hear percussion on the lower manual, which would normally be notes from MIDI channel 2 as opposed to 1 for the upper manual.

So yes, more detail please. I'm not sure quite what you mean.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:37 pm reply with quote
Yeah I know about the real thing and not hearing percussion but what happens is I have it mapped out to the pad on the Akai and pressing the pad will move the switch in the program but you don't hear the percussion...

however if you click on the switch with the mouse instead of using the pad you now hear it.. which makes no sense at all.

Oh wait.. crap got me again.. I forgot MIDI trigger level!!

Still really can't get it to trigger however it's very iffy
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:45 pm reply with quote
So you see the

I'm away from a MIDI controller at the moment so I can't verify the behavior right now. Will take a look at it soon.

When controlled from the Akai, does the switch flip to the new position and STAY there on VB3? Or does it jump back?

My guess offhand would be it might be conflicting toggle modes, one or the other device needs to be toggling a momentary button into essentially a slider, jumping between two states - that would be toggle. But there's another way to do it where you press and it's 127 (or probably whatever pressure) and when you let go it's back to zero.

Are these pads pressure sensitive? Do they send streams if you lean on them like aftertouch, or do they function like toggle switches only changing once when you press or release? Sorry, I know nothing about the device offhand. Perhaps both modes are available?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:51 pm reply with quote
Total aside, you wouldn't happen to have access to a Juno-106 would you?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:01 pm reply with quote
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So you see the

I'm away from a MIDI controller at the moment so I can't verify the behavior right now. Will take a look at it soon.

When controlled from the Akai, does the switch flip to the new position and STAY there on VB3? Or does it jump back?

My guess offhand would be it might be conflicting toggle modes, one or the other device needs to be toggling a momentary button into essentially a slider, jumping between two states - that would be toggle. But there's another way to do it where you press and it's 127 (or probably whatever pressure) and when you let go it's back to zero.

Are these pads pressure sensitive? Do they send streams if you lean on them like aftertouch, or do they function like toggle switches only changing once when you press or release? Sorry, I know nothing about the device offhand. Perhaps both modes are available?


The pads are pressure sensitive so a hard press would be anyplace between 1-120 It has settings for toggle and momentary and right now I have it set to toggle so it stays on but the trigger level is the issue.. however setting it to something low like 5 it wont trigger so I have to set it to something high like 50 then the switch toggles but it still wont sound the percussion until I click the switch which is already in the on position.
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