whats a good "vintage" eq

[Kindred]

PSP NobleQ
Summit Audio one on Softube
Plugin Alliance Maag

they are all nice coloured eqs

[Andywanders]

Abbey Road...



http://www.abbeyroadplugins.com/product ... 29989.aspx

[Mercado_Negro]

Nebula: CLeQ, VBeQ, W295B, Doc Fear, Q8 and PoolTeQ. I use them when I can.

Waves H-EQ and Softube Summit Audio EQF-100. You can do great mixes with these two. I'm actually very impressed by that Softube EQ and its Hi-Shelf filter, it fits my style and taste.

[afreshcupofjoe]

It's because they're all rubbish. The expensive ones. All snake oil. All you get is the name, brand, and nothing else. Your mind is used to perceive an expensive plugin to sound good, that's all. ;P There are some good ones, but nothing as special as they want you to think. Like Waves ones, for example. Completely average EQs. Not worth your hard earned dough.

I couldn't disagree more. I used to be one of the guys who thought all plugin EQs sounded relatively the same. Waves SSL was what changed all of that. I was completely expecting it to be all hype and no delivery like every other expensive EQ plugin I had ever tried, but I was completely blown away. It was like magic fairy dust. So much mojo! Same thing happened when I tried Softube Trident. It's kind of a one trick pony EQ, but when it works HOLY CRAP! These EQs have a very different character than anything else on the market. If you don't like them, that's one thing, but if you can't hear the difference, then you need better monitors or an ear cleaning.

But I sort of agree with you about the more recent Waves efforts. I do not think the API and Neve EQs they did are really all that special. It seems to me like Waves built their modelling reputation on the SSL plugins and then haven't put the same level of detail into anything since. But when the SLL series came out it was revolutionary stuff in the plugin world.

[jam92189]

It's because they're all rubbish. The expensive ones. All snake oil. All you get is the name, brand, and nothing else. Your mind is used to perceive an expensive plugin to sound good, that's all. ;P There are some good ones, but nothing as special as they want you to think. Like Waves ones, for example. Completely average EQs. Not worth your hard earned dough.

I couldn't disagree more. I used to be one of the guys who thought all plugin EQs sounded relatively the same. Waves SSL was what changed all of that. I was completely expecting it to be all hype and no delivery like every other expensive EQ plugin I had ever tried, but I was completely blown away. It was like magic fairy dust. So much mojo! Same thing happened when I tried Softube Trident. It's kind of a one trick pony EQ, but when it works HOLY CRAP! These EQs have a very different character than anything else on the market. If you don't like them, that's one thing, but if you can't hear the difference, then you need better monitors or an ear cleaning.

But I sort of agree with you about the more recent Waves efforts. I do not think the API and Neve EQs they did are really all that special. It seems to me like Waves built their modelling reputation on the SSL plugins and then haven't put the same level of detail into anything since. But when the SLL series came out it was revolutionary stuff in the plugin world.

I have to say its mixed I plan on buying the renasounce bundle I found the de eseer good and smooth and the eq is nice and the ssl because it also kicked ass next cuple of checkes are going away fast I did like the IK multimedia stuff alot but a nice bundle is a littl better priced and on waves universe there are great deals

PS I did not spell Renaissance right

oh and I am looking for 64 bit native plugins I know alot of you say abby but no 64 bit

[sunny_j]

It's because they're all rubbish. The expensive ones. All snake oil. All you get is the name, brand, and nothing else. Your mind is used to perceive an expensive plugin to sound good, that's all. ;P There are some good ones, but nothing as special as they want you to think. Like Waves ones, for example. Completely average EQs. Not worth your hard earned dough.

I couldn't disagree more. I used to be one of the guys who thought all plugin EQs sounded relatively the same. Waves SSL was what changed all of that. I was completely expecting it to be all hype and no delivery like every other expensive EQ plugin I had ever tried, but I was completely blown away. It was like magic fairy dust. So much mojo! Same thing happened when I tried Softube Trident. It's kind of a one trick pony EQ, but when it works HOLY CRAP! These EQs have a very different character than anything else on the market. If you don't like them, that's one thing, but if you can't hear the difference, then you need better monitors or an ear cleaning.

But I sort of agree with you about the more recent Waves efforts. I do not think the API and Neve EQs they did are really all that special. It seems to me like Waves built their modelling reputation on the SSL plugins and then haven't put the same level of detail into anything since. But when the SLL series came out it was revolutionary stuff in the plugin world.

wow, just wow !! Waves SSl is what you call magic fary dust and mojo !! Please don't take it the wrong way, but.. wow !!

[sunny_j]

I have just this to say: I'm yet to see one EQ that claims to be "vintage" and have no warped *phase* curves at the nyquist frequency. There's just one that does that, that I'm aware of: DMG Audio EQuality in "Analog" mode. Yet, it doesn't look like a vintage EQ. It lacks the simplicity of it. It feels nice and efficient to have fixed frequencies and rotary controls. I don't need any anal-eyesers, I use ears for that... anyway...

Phase response is *EQually* important. for EQ to be more transparent, and especially for transient response. That's why so many digital EQs smear transients, and that doesn't sound nice. They do sound mostly the same [bad], probably because of this, too.

If you ever tried and listen to an analog EQ, you'll know what I'm bitchin' about. Although, I definitely like the noiseless performance of digital ones.

Cheers!

+1000

[Trakstar]

Well, If all these Eqs are that bad, I really like the sound and what they do for my Mixes, and some of them sound incredible. Probably the reason why so many studios and artists swear by certain ones.

[sunny_j]

Well, If all these Eqs are that bad, I really like the sound and what they do for my Mixes, and some of them sound incredible. Probably the reason why so many studios and artists swear by certain ones.

I'm not saying that all eqs are bad. They are perfectly acceptable as "digital" eqs. I just hope the developers stop calling them "analog", which they are not (most of them atleast, not all)

Cheers !

[Trakstar]

Well, If all these Eqs are that bad, I really like the sound and what they do for my Mixes, and some of them sound incredible. Probably the reason why so many studios and artists swear by certain ones.

I'm not saying that all eqs are bad. They are perfectly acceptable as "digital" eqs. I just hope the developers stop calling them "analog", which they are not (most of them atleast, not all)

Cheers !

[ObiWonder]

The Pultec in T-Racks is a great vintage EQ. We even call it the Vintage Tube Program Equalizer.

if there is a demo of it I will defiantly check them out. what is the crossgrade pricing about is that like if I buy normal and want to upgrade to deluxe?

Demos here:

Vintage Tube Program Equalizer EQP-1A Demo


Or

Full T-RackS 3 Deluxe Demo


Vintage Tube Program Equalizer EQP-1A is a VST/AU/RTAS plugin "Single"
T-RackS 3 Deluxe includes 10 processors and includes both "Singles" versions and a standalone shell application to run them in.

Read more info about them here:
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/t-racks
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/tr ... ngles-gear

Thank I will try them out so far I have a few candidates but am starting to want to just save up and buy like ten of the same thing

Lol, everyone has that issue, its called G.A.S. (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) The best thing to do is try out demos from all the ones your considering and use your ear to pick which sound best.

I got the bug
Well I broke my glasses on my way back from work at night so this check is fixing what my blind ass broke
but I really liked the IK eq and still like the stillwell ones but really really liked the ren eq from waves I just need to pick one to rool with or maybe even get the top two. its soo hard deciding

When it comes to "tone changing" with different plug ins, they really are like paintbrushes, each with a different color that they impart on the audio. You'll even find you'll like certain ones better on certain instruments or sounds than others. That's why T-Racks comes with a few different flavors of EQs, Compressors and limiters.

[Brian @ IK Multimedia]

jam92189, a word about those 3 choices -
Waves Renaissance EQ was a real game-changer when it came out in 1998. It was one of the very first real attempts at recreating the analog warmth and feel of hardware in the digital domain, and was very highly regarded at that time. It is a "general vibe" type of plugin though, which takes inspiration from various analog units, as opposed to actually being modeled on any particular piece of hardware. Around this time, the early T-RackS 1.0 raised the bar with actual component level modeling of a vintage channel strip from the Calrec UA-8000 "Polar" desk formerly housed at Abbey Road, and was perhaps the very first desktop software to do actual analog modeling like this. I don't believe anyone else was doing this back in 1998.

Stillwell Vibe-EQ is a cool and funky little plugin, and the price is the real selling point. It definitely fills a niche for people starting out who want to learn the ropes and discover their style before investing too deeply in the tools. But if you are looking for a serious, authentic Pultec emulation, I think it's a pretty safe bet that it is not modeled on an actual hardware unit, which are quite rare and VERY expensive, if you could even find one for sale. And then true analog modeling requires specialized diagnostic test equipment and skillset to accurately translate that raw data into unique non-linear algorithms.

The T-RackS Vintage Tube Program Equalizer EQP-1A is component-level physical model of an actual vintage Pultec EQP-1A unit acquired by IK Multimedia. When you use it in a mix, you can be confident that the sound of this plugin is the authentic sound of the original vintage hardware.

And regarding a couple of those other plugins you mentioned, you might be glad if you waited just a little bit.

[afreshcupofjoe]

wow, just wow !! Waves SSl is what you call magic fary dust and mojo !! Please don't take it the wrong way, but.. wow !!

I'm a big fan of the SSL sound, much more so than the vintage stuff that people go gaga over. Andy Wallace is my favorite mix engineer and the Waves SSL simply nails the vibe that he gets from the channel strips on the SSL console. Some people like it; some people don't. I don't really care if it isn't your thing. My point is that the claim that the Waves stuff sounds just like every other EQ is bullshit. The SSL EQ sounds distinctively different, as well as the Softube Trident, some of the PSP stuff etc, etc. That is a FACT.

[jam92189]

wow, just wow !! Waves SSl is what you call magic fary dust and mojo !! Please don't take it the wrong way, but.. wow !!

I'm a big fan of the SSL sound, much more so than the vintage stuff that people go gaga over. Andy Wallace is my favorite mix engineer and the Waves SSL simply nails the vibe that he gets from the channel strips on the SSL console. Some people like it; some people don't. I don't really care if it isn't your thing. My point is that the claim that the Waves stuff sounds just like every other EQ is bullshit. The SSL EQ sounds distinctively different, as well as the Softube Trident, some of the PSP stuff etc, etc. That is a FACT.

to each his own
I would say that waves does not always do a great job at doing stuff like I think that kings mic thing is just stupid but the ren bundle sound nice and SSL sounds nice maybe not perfect but nice and I like that pie compressor. I personalty like other things better than some things but every company has some good and bad stuff.
there is no magic pill.

[jam92189]

jam92189, a word about those 3 choices -
Waves Renaissance EQ was a real game-changer when it came out in 1998. It was one of the very first real attempts at recreating the analog warmth and feel of hardware in the digital domain, and was very highly regarded at that time. It is a "general vibe" type of plugin though, which takes inspiration from various analog units, as opposed to actually being modeled on any particular piece of hardware. Around this time, the early T-RackS 1.0 raised the bar with actual component level modeling of a vintage channel strip from the Calrec UA-8000 "Polar" desk formerly housed at Abbey Road, and was perhaps the very first desktop software to do actual analog modeling like this. I don't believe anyone else was doing this back in 1998.

Stillwell Vibe-EQ is a cool and funky little plugin, and the price is the real selling point. It definitely fills a niche for people starting out who want to learn the ropes and discover their style before investing too deeply in the tools. But if you are looking for a serious, authentic Pultec emulation, I think it's a pretty safe bet that it is not modeled on an actual hardware unit, which are quite rare and VERY expensive, if you could even find one for sale. And then true analog modeling requires specialized diagnostic test equipment and skillset to accurately translate that raw data into unique non-linear algorithms.

The T-RackS Vintage Tube Program Equalizer EQP-1A is component-level physical model of an actual vintage Pultec EQP-1A unit acquired by IK Multimedia. When you use it in a mix, you can be confident that the sound of this plugin is the authentic sound of the original vintage hardware.

And regarding a couple of those other plugins you mentioned, you might be glad if you waited just a little bit.

thanks for the info cool stuff to know. one thing is that Im not looking for a perfect emulation of just one thing that may be why I like the Renaissance stuff and will get that bundle next week when I get paid

but I do get what you mean Using the IK eq's I did notice that they sounded way different then lets say the waves one of the same thing and on some things one kick the others ass. lets just say I have really started narrowing it down and so far I want to get Renaissance bundle because I really dont have more than one de esser and its not always what I need. the ren bass thing is cool and the eqs and compressors I like.
now the Ik Multimedia stuff well I want that pultec eq that I am going to save up for and a few more that just sounded nice on some things that my other plugins just where not working on. .
basically my final picks are im getting a few plugins that dont sound anything like the ones I have from IK after I get the Renaissance bundle from waves and after that If in 6 months I still want the SSL bundle Ill get it but I think what I chose will keep me happy for a while I do mixed almost every day so Im sure nothing will go to waist. thanks for the help everyone I pretty much have it all figured out. some great EQ's are going to be passed up not because they are not good but because for how I like to work these just where easiest for me to just get to work with.
also I still think waves is over priced at times.