Music production and arrogance

[PROFFETA]

Saying your song is good not arrogant. Of course, you're going to like your music if in fact you are making it without any outside interference. If your making it for someone or having someone else's input then you may or may not like it. Its natural and normal for you to like your own music. Why else would you be putting in the work to make the song anyways?? LOL its not arrogance unless you rub it in or if the majority of people tell you it sucks and you have no arguement other than "no it doesn't."

[mellotronaut]

Music is defined by the matter of effort. Either is the quality of it.

means: Music isn't defined by the matter of effort. Neither is the quality of it.

right, imo.

I don't think that there is any simple effort:quality ratio or anything like that. But effort is still a sine qua non of art. Not all music has to be art, just as not all language has to be literature, but when we are talking about music-as-an-art, effort is pretty much built into the definition.

i've got a lot of applause for something that needed just half an hour and not much effort, while something, i put a lot of effort in, remained almost unnoticed. there must be something else in music that lets the strings vibrate.

I said that effort is a sine qua non of art, not that it was the whole of art.

It is a necessary condition, not a sufficient condition.

fine with me i admit, to get something effortlessly done, one has to do a lot of efforts before.

[Zombie Queen]

The industry will push the shit out of it and who's the wiser. Who needs a drummer?

When rock'n'roll was starting, people were probably whining, 'who needs a conductor now?' Nothing changed. The industry was always pushing shit, this is what it does. It may smell a little different now, but it's the same old shit. I don't think it's relevant. Does it matter, if it was made by a skillfull musician or an electronic device, if it smells in the end?

[herodotus]

The industry will push the shit out of it and who's the wiser. Who needs a drummer?

When rock'n'roll was starting, people were probably whining, 'who needs a conductor now?'

No, actually, they weren't. Conductors were ensconced in their own little semi-obscure niche long before rock and roll became an economic force.

Does it matter, if it was made by a skillfull musician or an electronic device, if it smells in the end?

Obviously it does to some people.

I personally like the machine like accuracy of sequenced music....if the material is interesting enough. What gets to me is when you have uninteresting musical ideas and machines executing them, without the natural variations and imperfections that performing humans introduce.

But obviously there are millions of people who couldn't care less about these subtleties, so long as there is a simple beat to act as a soundtrack to their club-based mating rituals. So whether or not these things matter to someone will be a reflection of the function of music in their life.

[mellotronaut]

we're going round in circles, we're superflies!

[herodotus]

[mellotronaut]

when i listen to music, i like, i forget all the music i dislike immediately.

[vurt]

want!

[VitaminD]

If you talk big people will only expect more, there is little room to impress them and it can very easy to disappoint them. If you keep it humble then there is more room to impress them and less room to disappoint them...I'm just saying...

I'm impressed with your knowledge of ancient Chinese philosophy there Hink.
Very good.
He who speaks without modesty will find it difficult to make his words good.
~Confucius

I think that can work opposite in society today..

talk big (many) people think you're big.. keep modest and (many) people think your ability is at a modest level..

[trimph1]

[vurt]

music is expression of thought and feelings, nothing more, nothing less.
stop trying to cage something that has no mass, it will not work.
lose the fear of change and do what thou will, that shall be the whole of the law.

[s4w2th]

so i want to know from users here what is regarded as arrogant when producing music. For example I go to a friend and tell him I wil produce a track and it will sound good. the friend says you are arrogant for thinking this. is it really arrogant or is it not arrogant? some people have very high expectations for others to be modest, but I think if you put a lot of work into a track, you are allowed to say it will be good in my opinoin. you should allow critics for it but do you have to put yourself down and say your track will be bad just to sound modest? I think there is a border in having self conciousness and being arrogant? What is the opinon of forum members here aobut that?

First off, working with someone who doesn't consider their music good would be a joke. imo Unless their just starting out. Even then I would consider it barely forgivable. It would be a waste of time to do otherwise. Unsure? Ask someone who knows your style of music AND WHO DOESN'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS. Don't over sell it or under sell it, be right on the money. That's your reputation, it's up to you. Get the word out.

That's as much as I can say without knowing more specifics of you situation.


Good Luck

[Hink]

If you talk big people will only expect more, there is little room to impress them and it can very easy to disappoint them. If you keep it humble then there is more room to impress them and less room to disappoint them...I'm just saying...

I'm impressed with your knowledge of ancient Chinese philosophy there Hink.
Very good.
He who speaks without modesty will find it difficult to make his words good.
~Confucius

I think that can work opposite in society today..

talk big (many) people think you're big.. keep modest and (many) people think your ability is at a modest level..

it's the same thing, but in this case it's not about what people think...it's about what people will expect based on what they think

My point had nothing Chinese philosophy though, it's common sense and over selling yourself which imho is never a good idea.

[herodotus]

want!

My wife just bought one as a birthday present for her best friend.