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goldenanalog · Post by **goldenanalog** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:36 am

Not trying to hijack/confuse; but real fast:

http://www.futureaudioworkshop.com/circle/

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:01 am

I love z3ta for a long time and it was one of the reason I didn't consider the Mac.
I recently bought Oxium. Different, definitely, but some how at the end of the day I'm always able to come up with a useful sound even though I'm far from being a sound designer or anything even close to that, and still, I get things working with Oxium.

Circle was in my list but no serial number....

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:16 am

rob_lee wrote:
Haha

I have Z3TA i bought it the other week dirt cheap.. opened it, tried it for 10 mins and closed it if that's any help. The other one i haven't tried so i cant' comment. Plus i'm but a pauper and can't afford a mac loool
However i have been programming Rapture for the last 4 weeks and i'm amazed at it. The whole thing is just the tops. I love the GUI too.

Rob

http://www.kvraudio.com/product/z3taand ... lk/reviews

Rob..Is this your review of Z3TA+2 written on 26th August 2011 ? Mmmmm

I love Z3TA+2 and I also love Rapture...Two different synths - both wonderful.

Z3TA+2 has a great vibe..Some people say that it is a little too "digital" but I guess that they have never used the filters

The new version is an improvement on the original and it works for me..

Like most people here,I have too many toys,but Rapture has always been one of my main workhorses - a daily driver..,I've owned it since it's release and it's great...The sound engine in Rapture is also one of the best out there...

You can take a single waveform and span it across the whole keyboard with bloody marvelous results !

I've also sampled a few of my CPU intensive soft synths (Diva and ACE for example) and the sfz's and waveforms work great in Rapture..

FAT FAT sounds in Multi mode with detuned oscillators...Mmmmm...Delicious

The Galbanum waveforms are highly recommended for this synth and both Rapture and Dimesion Pro can read the 64 bit versions for absolute sonic purity...

All of Rene's creations are great because they come from an inspired mind

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:51 am

fisherKing wrote:i know...sorry LOL. just annoyed i can't demo z3ta, so i can't compare on my own (except by auditioning fake dubstep mp3s etc). laugh at me again and i'll stop buying your soundsets (ok, i wouldn't really do that...).

Honestly, don't buy z3ta. I have no idea if it's all that because they've decided they're too cool to need to offer a demo. If it's a big sampled based instrument I can kind of see, but it isn't. So screw them.

Oxium, on the other hand, has a very nice demo and sounds fantastic. It's a hog on CPU cycles, but man you can get some really great sounds out of it.

Anther one that's caught my attention lately is Diversion. Lovely sound, that one has. Look at me on this website with a bunch of Brits starting to type like one. Cheerio!

Lots of people like Dune these days as well, but it didn't really floor me like it does so many. I didn't think it was bad at all... just not that exciting. YMMV

KBSoundSmith · Post by **KBSoundSmith** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:28 am

I can understand reservations about picking up z3ta without a demo, but I would point out that it is a synth that has been standing the test of time, and I really feel that version 2 is an improvement upon the original version. The work flow is really nice and fast, everything is laid out very sensibly, and there's visual feedback on everything you do. And it it very powerful.

Between z3ta and oxium, you'll get a wider range of sounds out of z3ta. I think the real question is whether you need a synth to be a workhorse and offer a lot of variety, or if you need a VA synth of very good quality. Do you have either of those bases covered? Also, how deep into synthesis do you want to get? Oxium will be easier to program, since z3ta is by its nature more complicated (although I think it is still easy to use).

And you can get z3ta cheap if you're smart about it. I have both z3ta 1 and 2, and I'm only $56 in on it in total.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:31 am

KBSoundSmith wrote:I can understand reservations about picking up z3ta without a demo, but I would point out that it is a synth that has been standing the test of time, and I really feel that version 2 is an improvement upon the original version. The work flow is really nice and fast, everything is laid out very sensibly, and there's visual feedback on everything you do. And it it very powerful.

Between z3ta and oxium, you'll get a wider range of sounds out of z3ta. I think the real question is whether you need a synth to be a workhorse and offer a lot of variety, or if you need a VA synth of very good quality. Do you have either of those bases covered? Also, how deep into synthesis do you want to get? Oxium will be easier to program, since z3ta is by its nature more complicated (although I think it is still easy to use).

And you can get z3ta cheap if you're smart about it. I have both z3ta 1 and 2, and I'm only $56 in on it in total.

Thanks to all people who support Oxium

Yes Z3ta has been there for a long time, and thats eventually why it will inherently have more defenders here than Oxium, wich is brand new, including people who don't compare the two units because they just know one, wich is fair btw, as I'm myself not a specialist of the Z3ta, and therefore in a comparable position.

Also just wanted to point out that Oxium is capable of a very wide range of instruments, compared to synths that shares a similar base VA paradigm. And also capable of never seen instruments, because of its depth in programming, and its new modulators.

Last, its very rewarding for us to see that some people can program Oxium very easily, wich was one of the goals we tried to achieve : A quite complex and innovative synth but very fast to program !

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:48 am

One thing I noticed about Z3TA2 was how CPU efficient it was on my older Core2Duo system. I could get 8 or 9 tracks of Z3tas all running together happily, which was something really great!

The sound is digital, but its a wave shaping synthesizer FFS! The filters are actually really nice on it, and If you needed two modern digital synthesizers for covering all of todays popular electronic music I would highly recommend
Z3TA2

Another good one to check out is Native Instruments Massive.

both Massive and Z3TA+2 are light on CPU and can be capable of great sounds when used correctly! They are also both modern classics considering how many famous people have mentioned using them.

Another great thing about both, is that they give you access to the HUGE HUGE amount of professional sound libraries out there.

100$ for Z3TA2 is a bargain since you also get the original Z3TA+ sounds too.

200$ for Massive brand new is a bit expensive but you are getting a very very powerful synthesizer with a lot of options.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:48 am

digitalboytn wrote:
rob_lee wrote:
Haha

I have Z3TA i bought it the other week dirt cheap.. opened it, tried it for 10 mins and closed it if that's any help. The other one i haven't tried so i cant' comment. Plus i'm but a pauper and can't afford a mac loool
However i have been programming Rapture for the last 4 weeks and i'm amazed at it. The whole thing is just the tops. I love the GUI too.

Rob
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/z3taand ... lk/reviews

Rob..Is this your review of Z3TA+2 written on 26th August 2011 ? Mmmmm

Just had a look and that review seems to be by Bryan "Xenos" Lee.

I had purchased the Z3TA+ v1 when it was very cheap and later upgraded to v2 but i have to admit that i have used it very rarely so far. Same about Rapture but i am not able to sell it as it seems to be NFR. If Rob seems to like RApture that much i guess i got to have another look then...

With Oxium i was involved in the Beta test and factory sounds so you could guess that i like it.

Z3TA+ seems to be nice for some "unusual" sounds but as a pure analog emulation it does sound too digital for me (like already mentioned here). One nice thing about Z3TA+ is that there is a HUGE factory library included.

Oxium is very new so obviously there could not be such a big library so far...

Ingo

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:55 am

digitalboytn wrote:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/z3taand ... lk/reviews

Rob..Is this your review of Z3TA+2 written on 26th August 2011 ? Mmmmm

What's your point? Do my username say Xenos? As i said:

1. Bought Z3TA2 on the cheap last month
2. Opened, flicked through the first 25 or so presest
3. Closed
4. Uninstalled

However Rapture is a totally different thing for me it's just great!

I think you got the wrong person mate... it's best to come with facts before posting quotes and links here

Rob

_leras · Post by **_leras** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:55 am

zerocrossing wrote:
fisherKing wrote:i know...sorry LOL. just annoyed i can't demo z3ta, so i can't compare on my own (except by auditioning fake dubstep mp3s etc). laugh at me again and i'll stop buying your soundsets (ok, i wouldn't really do that...).
Honestly, don't buy z3ta. I have no idea if it's all that because they've decided they're too cool to need to offer a demo. If it's a big sampled based instrument I can kind of see, but it isn't. So screw them.

Well I think it's a bit rich to complain there is no demo... they basically gave away Zeta1 with CM... thats pretty much a demo.

It's such a cheap synth anyway.............

_leras · Post by **_leras** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:56 am

Zeta2 is a great synth. Simple layout, really powerful sounds. Lovely filters.

Can't go wrong really....

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:02 am

_leras wrote:Zeta2 is a great synth. Simple layout, really powerful sounds. Lovely filters.

Can't go wrong really....

It's just a matter of taste as with any synth. I just don't like it as much as i love Rapture.

Rob

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:37 am

Rapture is falling a bit under the radar.. No idea, eventually too complicated?

Btw. all can play nice together

Massive/Z3ta and Padshop I used together (not mixed, only some FX like Dimension D and a limiter on the master):
Frank Arnold - Padmix

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:41 am

4damind wrote:Rapture is falling a bit under the radar.. No idea, eventually too complicated?

Hello,

Yes i neglected it for a year or so. Not too complicated at all though tbh..
If you just work on the first Element for instance and get to know that then your set. The other layers can be worked on when your comfortable with the synth. Just copy layers/envelopes/fx whatever.. I shit thee not lol this is one powerful piece of software and i neglected it so long.
I have it open any time i'm not busy with other stuff in standalone mode to program some sounds. It's amazing for modulated stuff too not just dance/trance stuff. This is one baby that'll go to the grave with me hehe.

Rob

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:37 am

just to reiterate... i DID get z3ta+2. and am quite pleased with it. find it easy to navigate, versatile. a lot of great presets. and, having actually played with oxium, i like it as well, and may add it later.

i OWNED massive, it was my first plugin; just needed to change things up. and, as suggested in this thread: diversion, i REALLY like that one; just waiting for the mac version.

anyway, for now, am happy. and today we're in the studio all day, so will incorporate z3ta into 'the mix'...

z3ta+ 2: bought it! (EDITED)