I want to send 16 midi channels on ONE vst instrument and ONLY ONE Out, but when i change Vol or Pan on track fader - I have changed all channels. But I want to have a separate balance control
How to create routing for my situation?
It need me, for example, when i quick play standart midi files using GM module such as Edirol Hyper Canvas and similar.
Tanks! And sory my english.
Samplitude 11 Prod.How to connect 16 midi channels to 1 VSTi Out & separate control Vol each channel
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- KVRer
- 10 posts since 12 May, 2012
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- KVRer
- 1 posts since 7 Oct, 2004
Check Kraznets tutorials on Youtube, he has one or two that explain this thouroughly. I have seen one to connect Kontakt as a multitimbral instrument.
for Independence
and here: for Kontakt
for Independence
and here: for Kontakt
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 10 posts since 12 May, 2012
I know it. This is about Multiple Outs, but i need about Multiple CHANNELS and ONLY ONE OUT.
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- KVRAF
- 7825 posts since 20 Jan, 2008
Quite impossible. Are they the same musically or are they different?
Simply record to 16 separate channels with the same vst on each channel then freeze the tracks. You can then buss them into a stereo submix and apply all your individual pan/fade movements.
Simply record to 16 separate channels with the same vst on each channel then freeze the tracks. You can then buss them into a stereo submix and apply all your individual pan/fade movements.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 10 posts since 12 May, 2012
Tanks guys, but It is very sad I can not believe. Any old Yamaha PSR or PSS can adjust the volume of their channels, and have only one out... Is Samplitude it not be?
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
what VSTi (instrument) you trying to use in Samp? I'm a bit confused by your question. If you are trying to use a sampler with one out and multi ins then it's likely the sampler has it's own mixer and the one volume control would be global or a master volume as it were.studio-man wrote:Tanks guys, but It is very sad I can not believe. Any old Yamaha PSR or PSS can adjust the volume of their channels, and have only one out... Is Samplitude it not be?
If you want 16 channels with 16 inputs/faders for one VSTi you're going to have to do this with having 16 midi channels set up in Samp. This is not a flaw in Samplitude because it is how it isand there are other complexities in a DAWs feature set that "any old Yamaha PSR or PSS may not have to address. I know you can set up 16 midi channels for one VSTi in Samp but I'm sorry I can not tell you how simply because I have never had the need to do so. However the suggestion of Kraznet's videos is a good one.
The other option that you can use is in the midi editor for Samplitude where you can assign each note/midi event it's own channel number and perhaps adjust each one's velocity. The problem with this method is if you are using a sampler many samples are mufti-velocity layered which means not only will the volume change but also the tone might change because at different velocities you are in fact playing different samples.
I'll gladly try and assist you but I need a little more info like what VSTi you are using and exactly what it is you wish to accomplish
edit: BTW Samp forums would also be a good place to ask
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
Just reread you posts and I see you are using the Edirol Sound canvas 
(I read your post late last night)
You simply need to set up 16 midi channels pointing to the sound canvas in Samplitude to do this. As GM and a sound canvas are not likely multi velocity the velocity trick should work as well.
I use Samp pro and not Samplitude producer so it is likely I wont be able to help you much more. I would once again suggest the samp forums but I think I would go with the newcomers forum only because it seems such questions are more quickly answered there.
http://support2.magix.net/boards/sampli ... owforum=15
(I read your post late last night)You simply need to set up 16 midi channels pointing to the sound canvas in Samplitude to do this. As GM and a sound canvas are not likely multi velocity the velocity trick should work as well.
I use Samp pro and not Samplitude producer so it is likely I wont be able to help you much more. I would once again suggest the samp forums but I think I would go with the newcomers forum only because it seems such questions are more quickly answered there.
http://support2.magix.net/boards/sampli ... owforum=15
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- KVRAF
- 2493 posts since 6 Dec, 2005 from Bay Area, USA
It can be done in Samplitude ProX, but I'm also not sure about Producer's MIDI routing capabilities.
You can point any MIDI track output to any VST's MIDI channel input as long as the VST can handle multi-channel input.
Also not sure if there are any limitations in Sound Canvas routing and/or General MIDI limitations with this approach.
In ProX you can record each MIDI channel separately and then 'merge' them by switching to all one channel - but I think this will limit what you are trying to do.
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You can point any MIDI track output to any VST's MIDI channel input as long as the VST can handle multi-channel input.
Also not sure if there are any limitations in Sound Canvas routing and/or General MIDI limitations with this approach.
In ProX you can record each MIDI channel separately and then 'merge' them by switching to all one channel - but I think this will limit what you are trying to do.
G
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 10 posts since 12 May, 2012
Oh! Thanks a lot guys for such a detailed response! Maybe I'm not exactly explain my problem.
OK. in detail:
1. I create for example 3 tracks
2. assigned to the 1st track SFZ+ for example and different instruments in him on 1 and 2 channels
3. 2 and 3 tracks - midi tracks. I send outs from it to 1st track.
4. Now i play. All ok, BUT!
When i try change volume on 2 and 3 tracks using track fader - is it NOT WORK.. :( volume does not change. I can change it only by using сс7 in midi editor, but it is not very handy
So all I need - to tie faders vol and Pan to cc7 and cc10 (midi controls)
IS IT MY PROBLEM.
OK. in detail:
1. I create for example 3 tracks
2. assigned to the 1st track SFZ+ for example and different instruments in him on 1 and 2 channels
3. 2 and 3 tracks - midi tracks. I send outs from it to 1st track.
4. Now i play. All ok, BUT!
When i try change volume on 2 and 3 tracks using track fader - is it NOT WORK.. :( volume does not change. I can change it only by using сс7 in midi editor, but it is not very handy
So all I need - to tie faders vol and Pan to cc7 and cc10 (midi controls)
IS IT MY PROBLEM.
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- KVRAF
- 2493 posts since 6 Dec, 2005 from Bay Area, USA
Oh...OK, then try right-clicking on mixer fader and set it to MIDI CC7 setting.
I hope Producer has this setting. I know ProX does.
G
I hope Producer has this setting. I know ProX does.
G
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- KVRAF
- 7825 posts since 20 Jan, 2008
Buss
If you want three channels with independent volumw/pan/effects
Buss your channels to sub channels.
Although If you are playing into the instrument at the same time you only have two hands.
Record to a single channel and duplicate it to make additional channels.
Still not getting why you can't use velocity /pan / eq if your only goal is to make some tones greater then others....Or why you can't just adjust the velocity levels in the piano roll/notation
If you want three channels with independent volumw/pan/effects
Buss your channels to sub channels.
Although If you are playing into the instrument at the same time you only have two hands.
Record to a single channel and duplicate it to make additional channels.
Still not getting why you can't use velocity /pan / eq if your only goal is to make some tones greater then others....Or why you can't just adjust the velocity levels in the piano roll/notation
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
Pro X is awesome, there must be a short money upgrade from Producer given the fact that Pro X by itself is a 500 dollar host now. Since getting the YT issue sorted I have not had one hick-up from Pro Xsiriusbliss wrote:Oh...OK, then try right-clicking on mixer fader and set it to MIDI CC7 setting.
I hope Producer has this setting. I know ProX does.
G
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 10 posts since 12 May, 2012
Unfortunately Producer not have cc7 control (right click on fader)
Velocity change is not a solution for me. I like to tie the vel. rate to the brightness and other parameters. Maybe I'll think about of buying the PRO X.
Ok. MANY THANKS to ALL for your help!
Velocity change is not a solution for me. I like to tie the vel. rate to the brightness and other parameters. Maybe I'll think about of buying the PRO X.
Ok. MANY THANKS to ALL for your help!