Ok straight up Poll... Ik White VS Native instruments VCA2A

[Aiynzahev]

-- and there aren't many dbx 160's around native.

I hope SKnote's version will be good because NI VC160 is not so good, it doesn't have the punch that DBX is known for.
Edit: ah it's already out http://www.sknote.it/C165a.htm
Edit2: yep, it's better than VC160.

I agree. Disappointed in the VC160

Hey Theo, just tried out SKnotes 165 tonight, it's awesome, I really like it. I like it a lot more than NI's version.

I just actually came to say that it's been a while since I tried out IK's white. I do remember liking it more than the black.

I am thinking of demoing it again actually since I started playing around with NI's La2a.

Black sounds quite a bit better to me in 96khz, but I don't always have enough power to run everything in 96kz.

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[kvaca]

Will also have to see what waves offers this black friday.

I have to demo the waves and really pit all three against each other before i make a decision. I *really* do like the ik white though.

Sorry but so far i do prefer the NI 1176.

cheers

Theo,
its hard to me vote for these comps since AFAIK none of these 2A models /including Waves CLA one/ does proper ovesampling which makes usability of them very limited in 44kHz /yes Im one of these rare guys here who can hear aliasing and care about/
but there is another thing-becouse these comps when pushed are same time distorting units-I was interested how accurate the devs modelled structore of upper harmonics...Ive compared only waves and IK 2A models and to be honest I was shocked how big the difference between them is,waves nailed exactly harmonics what I would expect from good tube unit...but white 2A-sorry IK-only odd harmonics from clipping and plenty of alias-so I wander how can this sound good enough to you
but maybe your ears are very different...or are you testing it only with drums...who knows...but still I would prefer CLA2A anytime

[3ee]

It also offers variable ratio and sidechain AND parallel AND HPF. so...

Don't be fooled, the ratio is not variable, it only looks that way. (tested with Budde's vst plug analyzer)

also, the NI 76 doesn't have a sidech HPF unfortunately.

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[3ee]

^ The CLA2A also doesn't seem to have that "polished" attack IMO.
Of course I'm not saying that the CLA2A is bad, but for me, I surely would go with something else... like the VC2A for example.

[kvaca]

^ The CLA2A also doesn't seem to have that "polished" attack IMO.
Of course I'm not saying that the CLA2A is bad, but for me, I surely would go with something else... like the VC2A for example.

yes,I prefer that smoother attack over polished IK white,which sounds maybe good for some drums but hardly anything else
but I have to try NI VC2A to get the full picture...

[kvaca]

...but still I would prefer CLA2A anytime

To my ears, CLA removes way too much bottom end and is a bit on the brittle side.
Both IK White and the NI don't do that, they sound much better in that regard.

its strange,becouse so far I thought that 2A when driven should have such impact on low frequencies-can anybody here with real hw confirm this?

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^ The CLA2A also doesn't seem to have that "polished" attack IMO.
Of course I'm not saying that the CLA2A is bad, but for me, I surely would go with something else... like the VC2A for example.

yes,I prefer that smoother attack over polished IK white,which sounds maybe good for some drums but hardly anything else
but I have to try NI VC2A to get the full picture...

Funny you should mention that. The White 2A can work great on snare...I've never heard of the real LA-2A being used much on a snare drum. Interesting...

[antithesist]

What about that MOTU LA2? Some people that use it in DP and/or in their interface DSP swear by it. The previous post made me think of it for some reason. I guess because it's supposed to "warm up," etc. and be a more accurate T4 emulation. I think it's only available outside DP in a bundle, though.

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[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I got them. I am getting real used to them and just felt good with them. The NI/Softube are sensationally strong contenders with tons of extra features, and actually cheaper when you factor the vc60 all for $120 for the three,
but, i went for the IK's. it just "felt" right I guess

cheers

You could always get the SKNote 165 for another $30 and be right in the ballpark of having all three.