Good envelopes
- KVRian
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- 1091 posts since 8 Feb, 2012 from South - Africa
Apart from snapiness - what is essential or nice to have for envelopes, any unique and/or inspiring(analog or digital) ones out there?
Personally - not into the "draw your own" types. The envelopes of the roland d50 looks interistings - anybody play with those? Keytracking A/D/S times seems interisting.
Andrew
Personally - not into the "draw your own" types. The envelopes of the roland d50 looks interistings - anybody play with those? Keytracking A/D/S times seems interisting.
Andrew
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- u-he
- 28108 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
I like the Minimoog ones in the filter section which raise to a higher maximum level when triggered quickly.
- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Melbourne, Australia
Curves - preferably done by (self) modulating the envelopes so that the rate of change can be controlled by the user.
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- KVRian
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- 1091 posts since 8 Feb, 2012 from South - Africa
In layman's terms?ZenPunkHippy wrote:Curves - preferably done by (self) modulating the envelopes so that the rate of change can be controlled by the user.
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- KVRian
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- 1091 posts since 8 Feb, 2012 from South - Africa
The moog also holds/clips the top apparently.Urs wrote:I like the Minimoog ones in the filter section which raise to a higher maximum level when triggered quickly.
- KVRian
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- 1091 posts since 8 Feb, 2012 from South - Africa
The minimoog envelopes - are pretty insane.
http://analog.no/cms/index.php/envelopes
Anything else that goes beyond the ADSR - but still practical?
http://analog.no/cms/index.php/envelopes
Anything else that goes beyond the ADSR - but still practical?
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
None of these though, watch out for cheap envelopes, they can be poisonous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt8E_27iyOk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt8E_27iyOk
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- KVRAF
- 1532 posts since 20 Feb, 2003
Beyond a basic ADSR it's really just about control of the shape or inserting more points.. ie stuff like an AHDSR or an ADSAR, where the attack will trigger again when you release the sustain.
Software's perfectly suited for this stuff, since you can create an envelope where the user can define spline points and, along with control of the curve shapes between the points (and where it sustains) you can make any envelope you want without too much difficulty.
In combination with layering it's possible to construct an entire song using only the envelopes, if it supports enough points and layers! You could get quite insane options, I suppose, if you actually made envelope points appear/disappear based on certain conditions defined in a mod-matrix or via key-tracking
Emulations of known hardware envelopes are likely more tricky, since you have to take into account other interactions with other components like the VCA.
Plus it's becoming increasingly apparent that, unless TPT (Topology Preserving Transform) coding methods are used for envelopes then, just like filter feedback, there's always going to be a small (but noticeable) difference in the perception of snap/punch with software envelopes VS hardware.
In days gone by I used to think that was all about the shape of the envelope. But, like many things in life, it (apparently) isn't that simple
Software's perfectly suited for this stuff, since you can create an envelope where the user can define spline points and, along with control of the curve shapes between the points (and where it sustains) you can make any envelope you want without too much difficulty.
In combination with layering it's possible to construct an entire song using only the envelopes, if it supports enough points and layers! You could get quite insane options, I suppose, if you actually made envelope points appear/disappear based on certain conditions defined in a mod-matrix or via key-tracking
Emulations of known hardware envelopes are likely more tricky, since you have to take into account other interactions with other components like the VCA.
Plus it's becoming increasingly apparent that, unless TPT (Topology Preserving Transform) coding methods are used for envelopes then, just like filter feedback, there's always going to be a small (but noticeable) difference in the perception of snap/punch with software envelopes VS hardware.
In days gone by I used to think that was all about the shape of the envelope. But, like many things in life, it (apparently) isn't that simple
- KVRAF
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
Being able to adjust the curve of each section really helps IMO, especially in a synth with a lot of wild timbral possibilities, or cases such as phase distortion where a lot of the drastic timbral change happens at one concentrated point in the parameter space. Being able to toggle envelopes restarting vs envelopes jumping off from eachother is good too.
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- KVRAF
- 8186 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK
Sendy wrote:Being able to adjust the curve of each section really helps IMO,
This, although when a dev names them the proper scientific names I get a bit irked.
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- KVRian
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- 1091 posts since 8 Feb, 2012 from South - Africa
Good point.tehlord wrote: This, although when a dev names them the proper scientific names I get a bit irked.
I want pretty images to soothe my addled brain, not a maths lesson
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- KVRAF
- 10260 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris
FM8 envelopes : Combine flexibility, ease of use, power.
Then anybody who did not try the trapezoidal Xils 3 enveloppes, or the DsyncAdsr of the Synthix or Oxium might have missed a nice experience.
Then anybody who did not try the trapezoidal Xils 3 enveloppes, or the DsyncAdsr of the Synthix or Oxium might have missed a nice experience.
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- KVRian
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- 1091 posts since 8 Feb, 2012 from South - Africa
Correct me if I'm wrong - but isn't a trapezoidal generator - actuall just the gate signal? Or if you want to be fancy - an attack/hold/decay envelope?Lotuzia wrote: trapezoidal Xils 3 enveloppes