I'm waiting for the synth that is not only component-modelled but also models the universe that the synth is in. After all, if you're going to have drift caused by heat variance, those variations have to come from somewhere, and you can only get the true picture on what the temperature "should" be by modelling the entire universe, because of the butterfly effect

Give it another 300 years and we'll be there. Hopefully someone will also make a model of ME so I can come back to life and enjoy these synths

We model the individual quarks, gluons, and leptons and then let God sort it out.

And I know, what he will say: "It needs more warmth..."

Korg calls their stuff CMT. Component Modeling Technology. So, does that mean the MS-20, PolySix, et al, are literally modeled at the component level?

I am very grateful for this thread- reasonable, honest discussion that is helpful for someone like me who understands juuust enough of the technical aspects to be interested, and to have wondered about this myself, but not enough to do anything more than hope fine folks like yourselves would sidestep the hyperbole and dumb it down for me

Re: Korg's "Component Modeling Technology":

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Well, Korg is a good example. Next to no-one has a model of the MS-20 filter. I believe that's because there's no intuitive match in digital filter theory. Biquads, ladders, svfs and such don't get you there, as one integrator is also a differentiator.

OTOH it's simple enough to understand from the component side. If one understands how they interact, one can put a match in code, without ever reading a book on bilinear transforms.

That IMHO is component modeling.

The Drop does MS20

Yep, Diva too. Hence next to no-one

Here's a tidbit.

Poly-Ana contains no Pi.

(Okay, well, it does, but only in the graphics code for the knobs. Not in the audio code.)

All the mathematicians will want to bring Pi into it. But Poly-Ana doesn't know Pi. Pi HAPPENS... but not because she is aware of it. Just because, at some level, it's a simulation of real world physics. A DRASTIC OVERSIMPLIFICATION, sure, but still, a simulation.

Don't tell her though. Poly thinks she's a real girl!

...and Screamer.

Just out of curiosity. I thought Softube did the DSP for Fender products? Aren't Softube known for their meticulous component level circuit modelling approach.

Yes they did a digital preamp design for Marshall, feedback pedal for Fender, NI has a line of virtual analog equipment powered by their DSP and their own products are just brilliant. Of course they claim to have a component level circuit modelling, just as everyone else does. But then you look at US8165309 (
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8165309.pdf) and... well, I'm not suggesting anything

And while we're on it, here's an old patent by Line6:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5789689.pdf

Oh, and by the way I was talking about the old Fender Cyber Twin, not the latest stuff.

This has been interesting. Thanks for everyone's contributions.

And no-one has a Polivoks model either

No capacitors.

The dual saw bass - is the meanest thing I've heard from an analog.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul10/articles/polivoksaudio .htm