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Decided to get a VA Synth ...but which one?

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agehayoshina
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5 posts since 17 May, 2012, from england

Postby agehayoshina; Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:02 am Decided to get a VA Synth ...but which one?

Hey Guys,

I have decided on getting a VA Synth and he first 2 that came to mind were the Microkorg and the Mininova.

I am not sure though which is the best VA out there to get the sounds I want to make.

For reference, the sounds I am trying to emulate would be in this region:




Rustie

Hudson Mohawke

S-Type

From what I found from my own research, I think the Microkorg is better to those sunds, with the Mininova sounding harsher.

But maybe I have totally missed one synth?


Any advice on which one to get or what better ones to get would be greatly appreciated!


Thanks!

agehayoshina
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Postby Wormhelmet; Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:10 am

They both sound great, but I watched a ton of videos on the mininova because of the real time performance effects. It honestly looks like a ton of fun to play. I think you could squeeze out the sounds you are looking for from either, but big difference in live play features.

Either one will give you a good VA.
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Ingonator
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8027 posts since 21 Mar, 2008, from Hannover, Germany

Postby Ingonator; Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:00 am

Personally i have a Waldorf Blofeld desktop and i love it:

http://www.waldorf-music.info/en/blofeld.html

There is also a keyboard version:
http://www.waldorf-music.info/en/blofeld-keyboard.html

Both should be also available in black color.

The price to sound to features ratio of the Blofeld is unrivaled IMO:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/waldorf_blofeld.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/waldorf_blofeld_keyboard.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/waldorf_blofeld_black.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/waldorf_blofel ... _black.htm

If you want to load samples into the desktop version (around 60 MB flash memory) you must unlock it with the SL upgrade (in the keyboard it is already included):
http://www.thomann.de/gb/waldorf_blofel ... le_upg.htm
http://www.waldorfmusic-shop.de/epages/ ... es/Blofeld


It's also possible that the synth engine is too complex for the stuff you want to do so maybe the other synths mentioned are a good idea too.


Ingo
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"Atmospheric Transients" for PPG Wave 3.V
"Analog vs Digital" for Blofeld
Win 7 64-bit / Live 9 / Studio One / Reaper / Pro Tools // Blofeld / Pulse 2 /Waldorf + other plugins
JavaJ
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1135 posts since 25 Jul, 2007, from Calgary

Postby JavaJ; Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:30 am

any thoughts on the new KingKorg. I am wondering what the competition is to it so I can start my research (don't want to assume I will get it if there are other existing gear that is comparable at the same pricepoint or lower).
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billcarroll
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1265 posts since 9 Dec, 2011, from falling

Postby billcarroll; Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:37 am

You want an access virus :)
agehayoshina
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5 posts since 17 May, 2012, from england

Postby agehayoshina; Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:49 am

Which access virus?

There's quite few if I'm not mistaking?
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8027 posts since 21 Mar, 2008, from Hannover, Germany

Postby Ingonator; Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:51 am

agehayoshina wrote:Which access virus?

There's quite few if I'm not mistaking?

Depends on what you need. The TI could do everything that the older ones (A to C) could do but if you don't need the wavetable synthesis and hypersaws from the TI a Virus C or even B should be enough.


Ingo
Waldorf Beta Forum Manager
"Atmospheric Transients" for PPG Wave 3.V
"Analog vs Digital" for Blofeld
Win 7 64-bit / Live 9 / Studio One / Reaper / Pro Tools // Blofeld / Pulse 2 /Waldorf + other plugins
agehayoshina
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5 posts since 17 May, 2012, from england

Postby agehayoshina; Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:55 am

Ok cool I'll look into that!
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billcarroll
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1265 posts since 9 Dec, 2011, from falling

Postby billcarroll; Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:57 am

agehayoshina wrote:Which access virus?

There's quite few if I'm not mistaking?


The Virus TI Snow will do everything you need when working with a DAW. Unless you need a keyboard and something for on-stage performance I'd get the Snow.
breakmixer
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4175 posts since 14 Nov, 2008, from UK

Postby breakmixer; Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:00 am

If the Mininova is anything like the Ultranova, the VST editor and intergration with your DAW will be rock solid, however I don't like the fact they call it Virtual Analog - as it sounds like nothing analogue(which is why I bought it then sold it). Digital Subtractive, yes. However if you are after a modern synth and not worried about classic analogue sound this will not bother you.
agehayoshina
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5 posts since 17 May, 2012, from england

Postby agehayoshina; Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:01 am

Ingonator wrote:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/waldorf_blofeld.htm



http://www.thomann.de/gb/waldorf_blofel ... le_upg.htm


It's also possible that the synth engine is too complex for the stuff you want to do so maybe the other synths mentioned are a good idea too.



Firstly, it seems to have only one MIDI port. Has this been noticable or didn'T it matter to you.

Also, on the thomann website it says I need the license for ''expand the Waldorf Blofeld with 60MB sample flash for preset & user sounds.'' does this mean that I can't save any presets prior to buying the license?

And lastly, too complex? In what way? I'm kinda new to this so I'm not sure how it is too complex to make a sound.


Thanks for the great tips!

Linus
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Ingonator
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8027 posts since 21 Mar, 2008, from Hannover, Germany

Postby Ingonator; Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:15 am

agehayoshina wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/waldorf_blofeld.htm



http://www.thomann.de/gb/waldorf_blofel ... le_upg.htm


It's also possible that the synth engine is too complex for the stuff you want to do so maybe the other synths mentioned are a good idea too.



Firstly, it seems to have only one MIDI port. Has this been noticable or didn'T it matter to you.

Also, on the thomann website it says I need the license for ''expand the Waldorf Blofeld with 60MB sample flash for preset & user sounds.'' does this mean that I can't save any presets prior to buying the license?

And lastly, too complex? In what way? I'm kinda new to this so I'm not sure how it is too complex to make a sound.


Thanks for the great tips!

Linus


About complexity (the engine has realy many fetures):
http://www.waldorf-music.info/en/blofel ... ation.html

http://www.waldorf-music.info/en/blofel ... rface.html

http://www.waldorf-music.info/en/blofel ... tions.html




About MIDI: It got MIDI In and OUT and also an USB connection.

about the SL expansion: I had posted a link about it. This is only necessary to onlock the integrated 60 MB flash memory which you could use to load your own samples with the SPECTRE software (factory samples included).
The Sl expansion is more or less just an unlock code as the flash memory is already built in. In the keyboard version the SL expansion is already included.

info about the SL:
http://www.waldorf-music.info/en/licens ... ption.html
Sl activation:
http://www.waldorf-music.info/en/licens ... ation.html
this one will be needed for the process:
http://www.waldorf-music.info/en/downlo ... nsesl.html

The wavetable use does also work without the expansion and with the latest OS it's possible to load user wavetables.

Free editors (full editor + wavetable creator) are available here for example:
http://lady.rdsor.ro/~kotro/index.php?m=soft

free stuff is available here:
http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html

free sounds, free samples, SPECTRE and OS updates:
http://www.waldorf-music.info/en/downloads-blofeld.html

commercial soundbanks (including one from me) are available here:
http://www.waldorfmusic-shop.de/epages/ ... D=16653292

The SL license could also be purchased there.



Ingo
Waldorf Beta Forum Manager
"Atmospheric Transients" for PPG Wave 3.V
"Analog vs Digital" for Blofeld
Win 7 64-bit / Live 9 / Studio One / Reaper / Pro Tools // Blofeld / Pulse 2 /Waldorf + other plugins
Aural Chaos
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1025 posts since 31 Oct, 2002, from the high desert

Postby Aural Chaos; Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:50 am

Just to be clear, the Blofeld desktop does NOT have a MIDI out/thru port....
stillshaded
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305 posts since 18 Apr, 2011

Postby stillshaded; Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:10 pm

+1 for virus ti.

probably my favorite synth when it comes down to it.. and I own:

korg ms-20
roland mks-50
diva
harmor
sytrus
oxium
corona


I consider all of those to be great.. if you do go for a Virus, get the TI for sure.. It's the granular and formant wavtable oscillators that make it. Another underrated function is the "analog drift" available in the mod matrix. Whenever I'm done with a patch, I just use all leftover modulation slots to put analog drift on different parameters. ULTRA ORGANIC...

also, the factory presets suck IMO
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V0RT3X
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4143 posts since 3 Jul, 2012

Postby V0RT3X; Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:14 pm

If your going to get a Virus Ti2 maybe get look on Ebay for used ones.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/ACCESS-VIRUS-TI2 ... 51a6f914d9


Virus TI2 will get you a lot of bang for your buck.
Having the best tools and technical knowledge isn't gonna do much for you if you don't understand how to make good music.
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