KVR Audio

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:34 pm

Hi guys

I have a mutable instruments Shruthi-1 that only sends NRPN

Is it possible to convert those to CC's or should I give up forever.

Best
Topaz

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:40 pm

What OS are you on?

Mac: try MIDI Pipe or MIDI Patchbay (both free)

Win: MIDI-OX or one of their other apps should do the trick

Peace,
Andy.

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:45 pm

Hi Andy, yeh Mac.

Tried midi pipe but totally confused by the whole NRPN thing.

Will try patchbay and maybe send any monitor value too see what the shruthi is sending,

I want to be able to record nrpn > cc into live (no nrpn support), and send back as CC.

ZenPunkHippy wrote:What OS are you on?

Mac: try MIDI Pipe or MIDI Patchbay (both free)

Win: MIDI-OX or one of their other apps should do the trick

Peace,
Andy.

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:56 pm

It's MIDI Pipe that you want, and yes it is a bit tricky to setup initially as it's not very intuitive.

Anyway, I haven't tested this setup specifically, but you want something like this to convert NRPN input to CC's for Live ... and the opposite for output.

Double-click "Message Converter" to add it to the list on the right.
Set the values for NRPN in the lower left panel
Select MIDI CC + number in the lower right panel

The name in the top left selector is set by the user.

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:03 pm

Note: I just updated the image, because I think you need to wrap "Message Converter" with "MIDI In" and "MIDI Out" stages so that the MIDI is received from a specific interface, processed, and then sent to a port used by Live.

Peace,
Andy.

Ch00rD · Post by **Ch00rD** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:22 pm

topaz wrote:Hi Andy, yeh Mac.

[...] I want to be able to record nrpn > cc into live (no nrpn support), and send back as CC. [...]

If you have M4L, you could also build a device to do this stuff (using the lh_midi externals, OS X only).

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:39 pm

Great help, cheers guys will try all options this evening.

besh · Post by **besh** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:48 pm

you can use ctrlr and a panel specially made for shruti
http://ctrlr.org/panels_deprecated/
or build something in Reaktor which I would also like to have.

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:51 pm

The panel I tried only send midi to shruthi, I want to convert shruthi nrpn knobs into cc,s that live can record then send back to shruthi.

besh wrote:you can use ctrlr and a panel specially made for shruti
http://ctrlr.org/panels_deprecated/
or build something in Reaktor which I would also like to have.

besh · Post by **besh** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:08 pm

You could do it in Reaktor, there is some ens for the DSI Tetra which convert nrpn to cc and back. But nothing for the shruti and my reaktor skills are not very good.

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:26 pm

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topaz · Post by **topaz** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:55 pm

complete head *uck

the shruthi sends 98 38 and something else. for each knob.

its seems 1 number is coarse (maybe 98) the next fine 38 but there seems to be an extra number each knob sends ie 98/38/12 98/38/13 etc etc.

I cannot, using midipipe get those numbers converted into simple CC15 etc etc that shruthi will receive.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:30 am

NRPNs ARE CCs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRPN

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:41 am

Yes, the problem is all live sees is cc38 and shruthi, although receiving standard cc only sends.

98(12) 38

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:04 am

this is what logic is recording from shruthi knob 1

num 38 (#06 LSB)
num 98 12 Non-Reg. LSB

any ideas ?

NRPN to CC