KVR Audio

streifentier · Post by **streifentier** » Fri May 24, 2013 12:38 pm

Well, as in the thread title. I feel somewhat inclined to get this one, and if it's good, the price seems fairly reasonable. But as with all those kinds of libraries where you only have audio demos for your decision-making, it's hard to know in advance if the instrument is really "playable" or how much the sound and realism might depend on additional MIDI controller input etc. I did not find any review so far either (well, it's only been released a week ago).
So if anyone has got the "Friedlander", I'd be grateful if you shared your experience.

Iostream · Post by **Iostream** » Fri May 24, 2013 1:06 pm

I have it. It is incredibly playable, though some have complained about some of the legato being difficult on resources. There is a patch due out early next week which will fix that issue, though I haven't seen it on my system, I suppose I just play differently.
There are multiple ways to control expression, and a few different patches which enable the different methods of control. Also the demos make little mention of the ensemble mode, which is also excellent.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 24, 2013 1:13 pm

It is really great. I have tried the patch update (as I partly suggested some things to make the instrument a LOT more streamlined), and it really works great, much much less CPU usage now.

streifentier · Post by **streifentier** » Fri May 24, 2013 1:45 pm

Thank you. That's quite the kind of information I had hoped for (Looking into purse ...)

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:56 pm

Also on the fence regarding the Embertone Friedlander, my main concern is whether it's suitable for folk music fiddle style playing.

I already have classical violin styles covered well enough for my needs, and the Embertone demos are all highlighting the classical playing.

Anyone having success with playing the Friedlander rough'n'ready fiddle style, like bluegrass or Scandinavian folk dance?

/Joachim

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:39 am

Iostream wrote:I have it. It is incredibly playable, though some have complained about some of the legato being difficult on resources.

How does it compare to others?
Have you tried the VSL solo strings or others?

Iostream · Post by **Iostream** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:49 am

I have not tried VSL, other than the older kontakt library samples. But there is something special about Friedlander. is rather long winded as most of his reviews are, but gives a lot of detail.

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:10 am

Iostream wrote:I have not tried VSL, other than the older kontakt library samples. But there is something special about Friedlander. is rather long winded as most of his reviews are, but gives a lot of detail.

Thanks for the info!

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:55 pm

Beautiful work!

But again - why is it that virtually ALL Embertone Friedlander demos I've found emphasize lyrical, classical style playing? My current libs, like Garritan's old Stradivari, can deal with that just fine for my limited purposes.

To be persuaded to jump off the fence, I would really like to hear how the Friedlander copes with roots, bluegrass or Scandinavian folk music fiddle playing - staccato, intense, even fierce and strident bowing!

Is the Friedlander incapable of that? Is that why there are no such demos?

Does anybody have a suggestion for some other lib that would be well suited to the above?

/Joachim

Karmacomposer · Post by **Karmacomposer** » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:32 pm

I was looking at this as well having bought other Embertone products (and loving them). However, and based on the audio demos and videos, my KHSO solo violins and romantic solo violins have about as much character and playability They even sound alike.

I've already bought their jug drums (just amazing) and want to buy their celtic whistle and flute before I buy any of their other products.

Mike

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:27 pm

Here's a bluegrassy piece:

https://soundcloud.com/embertone/alex-d ... ch-fiddlin

tradivoro · Post by **tradivoro** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:12 pm

Hi Spitfire, most of the people that buy these violins are going to use it for classical style stuff. If you want bluegrass violin, you may want to look at band in a box. You won't be able to play it, but it will generate solos for you that are very realistic.

You can comp together a solo that will sound like it was played by a real country fiddler. The other good thing that band in a box can do is that it will also generate the rhythm tracks for you, so if you have to come up with a spot of bluegrass music quick, band in a box will do it for you. anyway, just suggesting if all you need is to get country fiddle playing into your compositions, as opposed to actually playing it, band in a box might work for you.

lingyai · Post by **lingyai** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:26 pm

EvilDragon wrote:Here's a bluegrassy piece:

https://soundcloud.com/embertone/alex-d ... ch-fiddlin

That's awesome

embertone · Post by **embertone** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:22 am

Spitfire31 wrote:Beautiful work!

But again - why is it that virtually ALL Embertone Friedlander demos I've found emphasize lyrical, classical style playing? My current libs, like Garritan's old Stradivari, can deal with that just fine for my limited purposes.

To be persuaded to jump off the fence, I would really like to hear how the Friedlander copes with roots, bluegrass or Scandinavian folk music fiddle playing - staccato, intense, even fierce and strident bowing!

Is the Friedlander incapable of that? Is that why there are no such demos?

Does anybody have a suggestion for some other lib that would be well suited to the above?

/Joachim

This is an excellent point! I believe we are overdue for some new demos that highlight the short articulations... We put a lot of effort into our staccatos, which have dynamic length control (powered by Kontakt's Time Machine 2). Here is an early demo we made, one which highlights the short articulations. Hope this helps for now, until there is a new demo to show off some other sides of our instrument. Thanks!

https://soundcloud.com/embertone/embert ... der-violin

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:53 pm

Hey Spitfire31, if you're into ethnic stuff, perhaps Neocymatics Hybrid Strings library could work better for ya?

Has anyone tried the new "Friedlander Violin" from Embertone?