question about DUBSTEP

[junebug]

hey all -

i'm just now getting into dubstep.

i'm wondering about your thoughts on BEATS.

most of the dubstep i'm listening to is half-time beats, BIG BEATS.

but i'm also hearing some more club-sounding 4-on-the-floor beats stuff with wub wub style wobbles and stabs over it and it's still called dubstep.

is this accepted as dubstep as well?
I was kind of under the impression that it had to be the half-time style beats...

your thoughts?
(no heated craziness, PLEASE)

JUNEBUG

[allcentury]

I'm unsure of the relevance to your question - are you trying to stay true to dubstep by programming beats like all the other dubstep songs?

Here's the reality - if you make a a great track using 4 on the floor, half time, double time, NO TIME (CAN YOU IMAGINE?), DJ's will play it. That's your end goal right? You want DJ's to want to play your music (and in turn spread it around to the masses). Make a great track, don't worry about the rules of a genre because that never got anyone anywhere.

Anthony

[junebug]

I appreciate your response and while I agree with what you are saying, i'm really trying to get an answer to my question.

if you make 4 on the floor beats, with dubstep style synths and bass over them, would you still CALL it dubstep, or would there be a different name for that?

THANKS!
JUNEBUG

[GeorgeZ]

Simple answer. No, not if the whole song is 4 to the floor. Then it's more than likely complextro.

[junebug]

so WHAT would you call THAT, then?
anyone?

because right now, i'm finding it CALLED dubstep -
so i'm trying to find out what you SHOULD call that....

JUNEBUG

[Sendy]

It's called whatever people call it. People are arguing about it and boundaries are pushing and pulling the whole time. I don't think it's an exact science.

If I make a circa '95 d+b beat and put an oboe quartet over it with a tech-house bassline and dub chord stabs, all produced like a film noir soundtrack, what do you call it? I'd call it f%%ckin' awesome

[dark_virus]

Simple answer. No, not if the whole song is 4 to the floor. Then it's more than likely complextro.

Exactly. The wub wub seems ubiquitous in various current EDM styles, and Complextro first comes to mind.

OTOH, you could link us some 4-on-the-floor Dubstep, because I'm really curious.

[thecontrolcentre]

Burials last EP has some 4 on the floor beats. Still sounds like Dubstep to me.

[Crimsonghost]

I think what your talking about is that 110 bpm stuff. Zomboy, Skrillex, KOANsound have all done tracks like that. Pretty much sounds like 4 on the floor dubstep. I think it's called moombahcore? It's kinda hard to really tell seeing as no one can really agree on what it's called.

[junebug]

seems like there is no definitive answer.
I figured as much.

I just found some sample pack's that are called "dubstep" and they have ALL 4-on-the-floor beats is all...

i'm working on my OWN sample pack of dubstep samples right now and didn't think I should be including 4-on-the-floor beats...

so i'm still 100% unclear, but for now, i'm avoiding them.

JUNEBUG

[Aloysius]

n/m

[ferez21]

Geners are messed up these days, there are fuc%ing 286 sub-genres for house music.

Generally a song that have dubstep elements and a 4x4 beat is considered as electro house.

[junebug]

Genres are messed up these days

AGREED!


JUNEBUG

[Davias]

Seems complextro is the most acknowledged term for that specific kind of music nowadays.

Dubstep is just half tempo drum n bass OR grimmy electro harsh hip hop (with or without rapping).

Electro house is just house with distorted basses, like reeses or whatever. Came from dnb at first, and then guys like justice or boyz noise pushed it to the edge, looking close to noise music. Then the dnb guys pushed hard to beat them, and they even started to make 4/4 tracks to show that they can do it. A guy like Spor even pushed it so far that he changed his name as a joke calling himself feed me, asking implicitly to the people to buy his concerts tickets to fill his fridge, and it worked so well that now he left dnb for too long to my taste and some of his tracks are sounding not far from the vengaboys.

When that distorted bass start to wobble, and u add some glitchy elements taken from IDM (as far as I remember, Noisia were the first "mainstream" band to heavily uses IDM-like elements in the dnb), and with the 4/4 beat it is "complextro". As far as it is more complex than standard house, and thus I like it, I think it is too simple to have a name that imply there is something really complex in it. For me this is bare minimum. But still I prefer it to 90% of boring 4/4 tracks released nowadays.

All that is my point of view twisted by a certain amount of wine since I'm coming back from the BD of a friend. But I ultimately think u shouldn't give a feuque, and just make music that sound dope to your ears... If you could, with a different beat than 4/4 or dnb or dubstep/syncopated hiphop, and danceable anyway, I would buy instantly, making my party time unique if I hear that in a party. I think it is interesting to know the nickname of every genre and substyles of music, I do it myself, but that should never prevent you to make your own music.

[jameshodson]

The best thing to do is blueprint the generic codes of dubstep then overlay it with your own ideas

You really think everyone wants to hear that same Skream tune over and over again? Think it through