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Is running a monitor @ 60hz ok for audio production?
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neptunefix
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:25 am reply with quote
I'm running 1600x1200 @ 60hz. It looks the same as 75hz. Is there some benefit to having the monitor run at a 75hz refresh? Easier on the eyes?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:27 am reply with quote
oh my. that will f'up your eyes. under 100hz i wont stare at no monitor! Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:28 am reply with quote
if you run for too long at 60hz you will probably start getting sore eyes and headaches. 75hz is the minimum

better still, get some lcd screens
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:50 am reply with quote
60hz is fine for LCD's. I'd run 75hz if your video card and monitor can do it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:03 am reply with quote
Devon: I am running a 19" flat screen CRT.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:11 am reply with quote
My eyes are far from perfect and I´m using a standard 17" monitor, no TFT or such, at 60 Hz 8-15 hours a day and never get any headaches or other side effects. Been doing this the last 20 years and till 4 years ago it was only with 14" screens!
However I just checked the settings for the monitor and realized that it can be set to 75 Hz.
Just saying this as a warning to anyone thinking about investing 1500 € in a new monitor: This may not be the solution to your headaches Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:18 am reply with quote
Some people really don't see the difference between 60 and 75 Hz vertical refresh...
I think i depends of the refresh time of your retina cellules.

So if 60Hz is OK for you, keep it...
I see people in front of a flashing 60 Hz screen 10 houres a day, and they are fine...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:24 am reply with quote
Roman Empire wrote:
My eyes are far from perfect and I´m using a standard 17" monitor, no TFT or such, at 60 Hz 8-15 hours a day and never get any headaches or other side effects. Been doing this the last 20 years and till 4 years ago it was only with 14" screens!
However I just checked the settings for the monitor and realized that it can be set to 75 Hz.
Just saying this as a warning to anyone thinking about investing 1500 € in a new monitor: This may not be the solution to your headaches Razz


Shit! 1500 for a new monitor???? Yikes! You can buy 19" CRT's for like $150 easily that'll do 75hz if not higher. CRT's are dirt cheap these days.

BUT, some people are more sensitive to the lower refresh. Where it was an issue was years ago when monitors would do interlaced, being at like 45hz refresh, and the screen would flicker, and that would give you a headache. Still, do higher if the card will do it, there is no 'harm' in it, and you'll see the difference on faster 'games'.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:46 am reply with quote
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Roman Empire wrote:
My eyes are far from perfect and I´m using a standard 17" monitor, no TFT or such, at 60 Hz 8-15 hours a day and never get any headaches or other side effects. Been doing this the last 20 years and till 4 years ago it was only with 14" screens!
However I just checked the settings for the monitor and realized that it can be set to 75 Hz.
Just saying this as a warning to anyone thinking about investing 1500 € in a new monitor: This may not be the solution to your headaches Razz


Shit! 1500 for a new monitor???? Yikes! You can buy 19" CRT's for like $150 easily that'll do 75hz if not higher. CRT's are dirt cheap these days.

BUT, some people are more sensitive to the lower refresh. Where it was an issue was years ago when monitors would do interlaced, being at like 45hz refresh, and the screen would flicker, and that would give you a headache. Still, do higher if the card will do it, there is no 'harm' in it, and you'll see the difference on faster 'games'.

Devon


I would not pay 1500 € for a new monitor, but I know there are people here with piles of money who would Smile
I think I remember having headaches back in the days where I was using my C64 and a tv. Btw, people who watch alot of tv, shouldn´t they also get lotsa headaches?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:25 am reply with quote
DevonB wrote:


Where it was an issue was years ago when monitors would do interlaced, being at like 45hz refresh, and the screen would flicker, and that would give you a headache. Still, do higher if the card will do it, there is no 'harm' in it, and you'll see the difference on faster 'games'.

Devon


I remember when I saw my first interlaced Amiga in a store. Being an Atari guy and using a vga monochrome monitor, I really thought that the Amiga's screen in interlaced mode had something wrong with it. The store clerk almost kicked me out of the store! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:30 am reply with quote
Roman Empire wrote:


I would not pay 1500 € for a new monitor, but I know there are people here with piles of money who would Smile


Depends what monitor. 1500 E for a 42" flat screen? Sure, NO problem! Smile

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Btw, people who watch alot of tv, shouldn´t they also get lotsa headaches?


No, they aren't sitting 2' from the screen like us computer users. Of course if they watch tv 20 hours a day, their brains would melt before their eyes would give out! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:31 am reply with quote
db wrote:
DevonB wrote:


Where it was an issue was years ago when monitors would do interlaced, being at like 45hz refresh, and the screen would flicker, and that would give you a headache. Still, do higher if the card will do it, there is no 'harm' in it, and you'll see the difference on faster 'games'.

Devon


I remember when I saw my first interlaced Amiga in a store. Being an Atari guy and using a vga monochrome monitor, I really thought that the Amiga's screen in interlaced mode had something wrong with it. The store clerk almost kicked me out of the store! Very Happy


Yup! I remember that too! It just looks 'odd'.

And to answer Roman Empire's question, I'm not sure. That issue has been long gone for over 10 years now, and don't remember the technical explanation anymore. Confused

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:40 am reply with quote
I can easily see the difference between a refresh rate of 60Hz and 75Hz on a CRT; and within about ten minutes the headache confirms it...

In fact I prefer to work at 85Hz. At work, I run 1600x1200 at 85Hz on a very high quality 21", at home 1280x1024 on a 4-year-old budget 19".
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 5:58 am reply with quote
Ixox wrote:
Some people really don't see the difference between 60 and 75 Hz vertical refresh...
I think i depends of the refresh time of your retina cellules.

So if 60Hz is OK for you, keep it...
I see people in front of a flashing 60 Hz screen 10 houres a day, and they are fine...


I agree. I'm working on monitors about 10 hours a day since '88 and didn't have any problems so far ..
I can see the difference between 60 and 75hz but sometimes I prefer 60 because some monitors tend to blur characters a little when v. frequency goes up. That sure gives me a headache Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:08 am reply with quote
i run two cheap 19inch monitors (logix) off 2 cheap graphics cards and even with new drivers and such they blur/distort a bit at 75 so I run them at 60. before I worked at home I used 2 monitors in the office which ran much higher refresh rates on better graphics cards and used to get headaches all of the time.

in my opinion the enviroment you are working in (lighting/air con etc.) has as much to do with headaches as the monitors/graphics cards etc. but as most have said, running the refresh as high as your hardware will support is a good idea.

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