I recently reported somebody on e-bay for illegally selling freeware and pirated commercial software - reported it to e-bay and I would not expect a reward for this.dexters lab wrote:im curious to know if software developers give out any type of Rewards for reporting people who are selling they're programs pirated via the internet ...
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Do Developers give Out Rewards for reporting Pirates?
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- KVRian
- 775 posts since 13 Jul, 2004 from Hull, United Kingdom
Have a better one - Saul Cross 
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- KVRAF
- 1952 posts since 15 Nov, 2003 from London, UK
Hy Dexters Lab,
Don't fret mate most people here aren't angry at you really, they're just angry at the bloody pirates thats all. Many fine folk here make a living (or try to) from software, so they get pissed off hearing about the thieving gits.
And put simply, its very unlikely you'll ever get any kind of reward for reporting piracy.
Most software developers don't have that much money for themselves, nevermind to give away in rewards or prizes etc.
You will always get a litle grief if you look like you're trying to take advantage of someone elses misfortune by the way!
Don't fret mate most people here aren't angry at you really, they're just angry at the bloody pirates thats all. Many fine folk here make a living (or try to) from software, so they get pissed off hearing about the thieving gits.
And put simply, its very unlikely you'll ever get any kind of reward for reporting piracy.
Most software developers don't have that much money for themselves, nevermind to give away in rewards or prizes etc.
You will always get a litle grief if you look like you're trying to take advantage of someone elses misfortune by the way!
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- KVRAF
- 2544 posts since 14 Sep, 2003 from Essex
HI
I also think that many people here know only too well about the proliferation of 'Warez'.
There are so many P2P sites that are choc full of the stuff although much of it emanates from a few sources.
In an ideal world, YES you would get a reward, because on reporting a piracy 'situation' the incident would be pursued and dealt with but alas as its not goverment documents or childs porn no one appears to give a crap.
I know for a fact that anyone with a substantial (or even small) amount of warez on a P2P site could EASILLY be traced and arrested - a friend of a friend told me a great story about how someone attempted to break in to his - PC - BAD MOVE, the guy is a notorious hacker and turned up at said persons house with some mates ..... I won't go into details here , it never happerned again!
So I would say other than a community like this and the developers, no one really gives a shit - and certainly no one is going to pursue the perpertrators - perhaps if the industry was MASSIVE and the local market stall had the full range of NATIVE INSTRUMENTS, copied and boxed up at 30% of the normal price, someone might do something about it, but otherwise I don't really know if anyone cares?
I honestly believe that mosts dev's (like Bones said) have resigned themselves to the fact that it is inevitable and just hope that they can maintain a committed 'legal' user base - thats probably why so many developers will go the extra yard for us - because they know that 'WE' support their work.
Flipper.
I also think that many people here know only too well about the proliferation of 'Warez'.
There are so many P2P sites that are choc full of the stuff although much of it emanates from a few sources.
In an ideal world, YES you would get a reward, because on reporting a piracy 'situation' the incident would be pursued and dealt with but alas as its not goverment documents or childs porn no one appears to give a crap.
I know for a fact that anyone with a substantial (or even small) amount of warez on a P2P site could EASILLY be traced and arrested - a friend of a friend told me a great story about how someone attempted to break in to his - PC - BAD MOVE, the guy is a notorious hacker and turned up at said persons house with some mates ..... I won't go into details here , it never happerned again!
So I would say other than a community like this and the developers, no one really gives a shit - and certainly no one is going to pursue the perpertrators - perhaps if the industry was MASSIVE and the local market stall had the full range of NATIVE INSTRUMENTS, copied and boxed up at 30% of the normal price, someone might do something about it, but otherwise I don't really know if anyone cares?
I honestly believe that mosts dev's (like Bones said) have resigned themselves to the fact that it is inevitable and just hope that they can maintain a committed 'legal' user base - thats probably why so many developers will go the extra yard for us - because they know that 'WE' support their work.
Flipper.
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- KVRAF
- 2544 posts since 14 Sep, 2003 from Essex
HI
PS - "dexters lab" - just so you don't think I am jumping on your back I include you in the 'WE' comment - assuming you support paid for software, which I think is the case.
Flipper.
PS - "dexters lab" - just so you don't think I am jumping on your back I include you in the 'WE' comment - assuming you support paid for software, which I think is the case.
Flipper.
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- KVRAF
- 2401 posts since 29 Dec, 2002 from In the dark
From the onset, let me say that I am against pirate software, but I think this statement above is just plain not true. The benefit will not come to the customer. My opinion is based on fact about one specific company only and I know all developers here are not the same.BONES wrote:I can't believe you would even ask that question. It doesn't hurt the software companies, they just factor it into their pricing and make their customers pay. So you'd be doing us all a favour, surely that is reward enough?
In 1995 when MS windows 95 were launched my country entered into a phase of democratisation and sactions were lifted, opening the market. MS had a huge drive at the time to legalise software. Exacly the same reasoning was given as above, i.e. we will see the benefit in the price. It was estimated at that time that about 50% of all windows copies were pirate copies in this country. An official copy of Win 95 then sold for R500. Many years later now and XP was launhed at R4,000 a copy.
What did I learn from this? A monopoly by developers WILL result in a massive price increase. Full stop.
No-one has any monopoly on the VST market? Just look at the price of orchestral sample libraries over the last 4 years. A good library were sold for $1,000 or more. Now we can get much greater quality for $250. The only difference is that competition came in and brought the prices down.
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- KVRian
- 1325 posts since 1 Sep, 2004
Really a fine idea... 
But reporting warez (and getting a reward for this) could ruin the companies probably much faster than the fact of warez itself. For several reasons...
Some websites of warez cannot be simply closed by the manufactures so easy after reported....
So you can report thousands of warez locations without any problems, over all the time.
Think of the many russian and chinese websites arround here. There is simply no possibility to close it so easy... Some of them are still alive for years now!!!
Those redirect and regulary update their "stores" all the time.
So what do you expect from reporting warez THIS WAY ???
For sure it will NOT stop the process!
ps: You (initiator of this thread), for sure, have found those offers NOT by accident! I think you searched it with some intent!
Most companies do this all the time itselfes, to find out whats happened with their stuff and try to finish it, with absolutely NO real success so far, and unfortunately....
I think, this thread should be closed as fast as possible... (This time justified.)
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But reporting warez (and getting a reward for this) could ruin the companies probably much faster than the fact of warez itself. For several reasons...
Some websites of warez cannot be simply closed by the manufactures so easy after reported....
So you can report thousands of warez locations without any problems, over all the time.
Think of the many russian and chinese websites arround here. There is simply no possibility to close it so easy... Some of them are still alive for years now!!!
Those redirect and regulary update their "stores" all the time.
So what do you expect from reporting warez THIS WAY ???
For sure it will NOT stop the process!
ps: You (initiator of this thread), for sure, have found those offers NOT by accident! I think you searched it with some intent!
Most companies do this all the time itselfes, to find out whats happened with their stuff and try to finish it, with absolutely NO real success so far, and unfortunately....
I think, this thread should be closed as fast as possible... (This time justified.)
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- KVRist
- 297 posts since 20 Jun, 2003 from YYZ CDN
I think ultimately it boils down to one simple question - do you like using your computer to make music. Piracy is extremely rampant in all formas of software. Many companies just quit the software market because they cannot make enough money due to piracy. We have seen it time and time again. I have seen it first hand with my father who had to quit doing software because a certain group would crack his stuff the exact same day it came out 
Do you really want to face the loss of some of our great developers simply because you are looking for a reward? Think of the vst world without the likes of RGC (Rene) ConcreteFX (Jon) Wusik (WilliamK) ReFX (Michael & co) Massiva/XT (Jorgen)Dash (liqih)BigTick (umm BigTick) DiscoDSP (George/aguru) etc. Reason I put names beside each company is to stress that most of the developers here are simply one person working their ass off to make great plugins for all of us. Also as small developers, they typically don't have enough money to be giving out this and that free.
If you really care about computer based music, I think the only option is very obvious.
Do you really want to face the loss of some of our great developers simply because you are looking for a reward? Think of the vst world without the likes of RGC (Rene) ConcreteFX (Jon) Wusik (WilliamK) ReFX (Michael & co) Massiva/XT (Jorgen)Dash (liqih)BigTick (umm BigTick) DiscoDSP (George/aguru) etc. Reason I put names beside each company is to stress that most of the developers here are simply one person working their ass off to make great plugins for all of us. Also as small developers, they typically don't have enough money to be giving out this and that free.
If you really care about computer based music, I think the only option is very obvious.
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- Skunk Mod
- 21249 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from Pony Pasture
op519: absolutely!
dexters lab: Just do the right thing. If you happen to get a reward, great -- on occasion you might. But don't expect it, and don't let the allure of freebies be your motivation. Your conscience and respect for developers should be motivation enough. Knowing that you've helped legit musicians is a reward.
Meffy
dexters lab: Just do the right thing. If you happen to get a reward, great -- on occasion you might. But don't expect it, and don't let the allure of freebies be your motivation. Your conscience and respect for developers should be motivation enough. Knowing that you've helped legit musicians is a reward.
Meffy
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- addled muppet weed
- 111274 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
er yes devs do give rewards for helping eliminate piracy(which while it may take forever we each do our bit)
when i say they give us rewards how do you think a dev feels when one of us guys gets in touch with him and helps in some way againts piracy?id say he gets a sort of "oh well yeah theres shit people in the world but at least what i do is worth it to some"
and then hey ho he goes on developing new synths-KERCHING rewards=newer and better synths in the future
whereas we all ignore it and let i carry on he thinks "f**k it" we dont see any new developments=shitty state of affairs
when i say they give us rewards how do you think a dev feels when one of us guys gets in touch with him and helps in some way againts piracy?id say he gets a sort of "oh well yeah theres shit people in the world but at least what i do is worth it to some"
and then hey ho he goes on developing new synths-KERCHING rewards=newer and better synths in the future
whereas we all ignore it and let i carry on he thinks "f**k it" we dont see any new developments=shitty state of affairs
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- KVRist
- 123 posts since 15 Mar, 2004 from closer than you think
I agree with the general (recent) concensus here:
Don't expect a reward because simply catching one guy will not stop the pirates from cracking / copying the software. By the sound of it, your guy is simply a distributer - he's adding to the problem but not responsible (except morally) for the origination of said piracy.
Police forces in individual countries are often powerless to act as piracy is an international concern. This leaves the responsibility to react to the software companies themselves, which many as we have learned here, would be powerless to do due to the cost of legal action.
Hence, you could hardly expect a reward beyond a public "Thank you" and a pat on the back. The big companies such as Steinberg/Pinnacle etc wouldn't be interested in one guy on his own anyway.
For what it's worth.
deps
Don't expect a reward because simply catching one guy will not stop the pirates from cracking / copying the software. By the sound of it, your guy is simply a distributer - he's adding to the problem but not responsible (except morally) for the origination of said piracy.
Police forces in individual countries are often powerless to act as piracy is an international concern. This leaves the responsibility to react to the software companies themselves, which many as we have learned here, would be powerless to do due to the cost of legal action.
Hence, you could hardly expect a reward beyond a public "Thank you" and a pat on the back. The big companies such as Steinberg/Pinnacle etc wouldn't be interested in one guy on his own anyway.
For what it's worth.
deps
Mine's a Stella. Cheers !
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- KVRAF
- 1682 posts since 13 Oct, 2003 from Oulu, Finland
Lot's of truth in that one, but there are still some aspects which pump the prices high. Take a look, for example, the games markets. A typical console game costs somewhere around 60e. I remember the time when a game cost around 20e. Game publishers complain the piracy for the high prices, but I believe it's bullshit. I believe people don't buy many games because of the high prices. If the games cost 20-30e, I'm quite sure people would buy them 3-4 times more frequently and would also do some "impulse purchaces" (buying spontaneously just by gut feeling).Sepheritoh wrote:What did I learn from this? A monopoly by developers WILL result in a massive price increase. Full stop.
No-one has any monopoly on the VST market? Just look at the price of orchestral sample libraries over the last 4 years. A good library were sold for $1,000 or more. Now we can get much greater quality for $250. The only difference is that competition came in and brought the prices down.
So why ARE the prices high? Not the competition for sure. There are so many dev-houses and publishers in the gaming business. It's probably just these two things:
1) The consumers see a cheaper game as somehow inferior to the one sitting next to it with a bigger price tag.
2) Publishers are too tight assed to do anything about the price lowering together and just slowly rise the prices in hopes for greater income.
Phew! There. I've said it. That has been bothering me for so many years now, that I'm glad I finally got it off my heart
I've just been in the industry long enough to become very irritated with most of the publishers.Hrmh... Back to the original point: I'm afraid that VST business might do the same as the gaming business: after few years prices might just start going higher and higher and everyone's blaming only the piracy for the little money they get, when they should actually lower the prices to sell much more.
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- KVRAF
- 2544 posts since 14 Sep, 2003 from Essex
HI
I supposse the Reward is when you get an e-mail saying (for instance) Rhino V2 has just been released, 'Your' (FREE) download link is here --> enjoy and by the way if you have any problems with it contact me and I will see what I can do.
Thing is I forgot to mention things like Albino V2, RM4, Zeta, discovery, Reaktor, Bazzoid, EXT and who knows how many others - this is the Reward!
I put a thread up a while ago named 'I LOVE UPDATES'!!
Flipper.
I supposse the Reward is when you get an e-mail saying (for instance) Rhino V2 has just been released, 'Your' (FREE) download link is here --> enjoy and by the way if you have any problems with it contact me and I will see what I can do.
Thing is I forgot to mention things like Albino V2, RM4, Zeta, discovery, Reaktor, Bazzoid, EXT and who knows how many others - this is the Reward!
I put a thread up a while ago named 'I LOVE UPDATES'!!
Flipper.
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- KVRian
- 1325 posts since 1 Sep, 2004
You simply cannot assume, that reporting wares always leads to success (closing the warez places) !
In fact merely 1% of reported warez "trading" can be traced and § persecuted with any result or success !
This is the problem.
Animating people to search and find all those warez offers and places by giving them "rewards" is the complete wrong way. Because in the most cases you cannot do anything against those offers. Believe me.
If you want really support developers, so buy their stuff and join the beta teams and write demo songs and good reviews and support the idea of better protection mechanisms ...
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In fact merely 1% of reported warez "trading" can be traced and § persecuted with any result or success !
This is the problem.
Animating people to search and find all those warez offers and places by giving them "rewards" is the complete wrong way. Because in the most cases you cannot do anything against those offers. Believe me.
If you want really support developers, so buy their stuff and join the beta teams and write demo songs and good reviews and support the idea of better protection mechanisms ...
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 80 posts since 4 Jan, 2004 from Minneapolis,Mn
thank you for the replys they were more friendly ....
Sorry I asked i was just curious,Im not demanding anything at all,I was curious ....
I went to Steinbergs webpage and ended up at a Pinnacle page,i went to "Legal"
and ended up with this information
"the Software Publishers Association (http://www.siia.net) at 202-452-1600 in the U.S"
sent em a email (INTERNET CONTENT PIRACY REPORT FORM),we will see what happens ....
Sorry I asked i was just curious,Im not demanding anything at all,I was curious ....
I went to Steinbergs webpage and ended up at a Pinnacle page,i went to "Legal"
and ended up with this information
"the Software Publishers Association (http://www.siia.net) at 202-452-1600 in the U.S"
sent em a email (INTERNET CONTENT PIRACY REPORT FORM),we will see what happens ....