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origami · Post by **origami** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:28 am

just wanted to know that...tweakability, filters, effects, etc...

how does sampletank act as a sampler player for your own sounds?

thx in advance

suburban grilla · Post by **suburban grilla** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:02 am

origami wrote:just wanted to know that...tweakability, filters, effects, etc...

how does sampletank act as a sampler player for your own sounds?

thx in advance

AFAIK sampletank only uses its own sounds, (or commercially available sounds from other companies) and cannot be used for samples tou make yourself.

peace
grilla

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:18 am

suburban grilla wrote:
origami wrote:just wanted to know that...tweakability, filters, effects, etc...

how does sampletank act as a sampler player for your own sounds?

thx in advance

AFAIK sampletank only uses its own sounds, (or commercially available sounds from other companies) and cannot be used for samples tou make yourself.

peace
grilla

That's incorrect. SampleTank 2 can import Wav, AIFF, Sound Designer etc.

The answer to your question is complex. The thread title says "sampler". I would necessarily call SampleTank a "sampler". But in your first post you say "Sample player" and that is closer (even though those two terms seem like the same thing).

A traditional sampler actually records audio itself. but, beyond that a sampler tends to have a lot of mapping features, looping etc. ST doesn't have that.

But, what it does have is unique sample technology that most other sample players do NOT have. Things like Stretch which are formant preserving time stretch and pitch shifting that is similar to something like Melodyne is unmatched in a software sample player from my experience. The closest thing to that is Kontakt's Tone machine which is fun to play with but not nearly as good.

There are a bunch of cool features in ST2 like loop sync, PSTS and of course the effects but the filters are fantastic! They really are smooth, warm and punchy like great analog filters. I've done more samples in ST2 than anybody on the planet most likely. It's nice to work with on samples.

Having said that, I also like to use other tools for manipulating samples as well. It all depends. Kontakt is nice, so is HALion, EXS24 and others. I like working in the NNXT of Reason for certain things it can do conveniently that are unique. They're all tools. But, some of them do overlap in what they do and SampleTank is kind of on its own with some unique things it does. That is why I think it is a great set up to have either EXS, Kontakt or HALion (or other "samplers") AND SampleTank 2 because they will allow you to do different things with you samples. It's a powerful set up for sound designn (I would also thow in a Cameleon CA5000 for resynthesizing your samples as well while you're at it!)

suburban grilla · Post by **suburban grilla** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:29 am

sorry for the bad advice

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:36 am

Squids--

Even though it can import .wav or .aiff, does ST2 give you the option to map multi-samples and so forth? I think that's the missing link for some people who are not certain (including myself). I always thought it was a "closed" system, and hence programs like Awave and EXS not being able to export to ST2 format?

Greg

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:40 am

suburban grilla wrote:sorry for the bad advice

At least you too know that it can import samples. The free version can't. Maybe that is what made you think that perhaps.

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:45 am

Lunch Money wrote:Squids--

Even though it can import .wav or .aiff, does ST2 give you the option to map multi-samples and so forth? I think that's the missing link for some people who are not certain (including myself). I always thought it was a "closed" system, and hence programs like Awave and EXS not being able to export to ST2 format?

Greg

Actually, it does allow you to map but in a very simple way. It is not IDEAL for mapping out multisamples. Something with a graphic map editor like Kontakt or NNX (or others too) is better suited for that kind of thing. The funny thing is that maybe 1% of sampler owners actually DO map out their own multisamples!!!

That's why there are sound developers in business (because, it can be a lot of tedious work, if you time is worth something it is better to just buy sampled instruments most of the time... enless like me you enjoy sampling and creating your own sounds).

You can map in ST2 by naming the file. So you can import a bunch of waves with their root note IN THE NAME of the sample. ie. piano_C3.wav and then piano_D3.wav and those would auto map upon import with the split points being even between both. Automapping can actually be faster! But, if you want to alter things such as the split points etc. then you are better off with a sampler that does graphic mapping.

Some translation programs however may be able to help with this. I've been working with Garth/Translator/Chickenman to see if he can do something in this area.

origami · Post by **origami** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:26 am

thx for the info, mates.

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:52 am

someone tried this?
it seems can edit sampletank format.
http://chickensys.com/

Caleb · Post by **Caleb** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:37 am

Squids wrote:The funny thing is that maybe 1% of sampler owners actually DO map out their own multisamples!!! That's why there are sound developers in business (because, it can be a lot of tedious work, if you time is worth something it is better to just buy sampled instruments most of the time... enless like me you enjoy sampling and creating your own sounds).

This reminds me of a time when I got thumped a little for suggesting the SR Group Buy drum spectacular rather than going for Battery2 or similar. That's not a sampler they say.

A large number of people would use Samplers more as sample players. I wouldn't necessarily say 99% but I'm sure the proportion would be quite significant.

It would also explain why someone would trash a product like Shortcircuit based on the fact that it doesn't support giga or kontakt file formats while ignoring its capabilities as a sampler utility.

Caleb

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:25 am

g200kg wrote:someone tried this?
it seems can edit sampletank format.
http://chickensys.com/

Yep, so can Extreme Sample Converter and I think Awave. However, they cannot convert SampleTank2.

Greg

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:39 am

Lunch Money wrote:
g200kg wrote:someone tried this?
it seems can edit sampletank format.
http://chickensys.com/
Yep, so can Extreme Sample Converter and I think Awave. However, they cannot convert SampleTank2.

Greg

Im not sure but,
this one can write ST2 althogh cannot read ST2? really?

regrettable...

http://chickensys.com/support/software/ ... ampletank/

ev0lver · Post by **ev0lver** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:12 pm

Does anyone know how samples have to be named for Sampletank to read the bpm right? I've tried to load several loops into one keymap but they didn't sync

Bassballjg · Post by **Bassballjg** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:26 pm

ev0lver wrote:Does anyone know how samples have to be named for Sampletank to read the bpm right? I've tried to load several loops into one keymap but they didn't sync

You need to put the tempo in the name of the instrument created by the sample import process.

opiadream · Post by **opiadream** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:49 pm

origami wrote:just wanted to know that...tweakability, filters, effects, etc...

how does sampletank act as a sampler player for your own sounds?

thx in advance

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/28.html

sampletank as a sampler?