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Author Topic: current compatibility status of piano libraries
mat123
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:54 pm reply with quote
Hi folks,

I'm looking for another piano library for my receptor, but if the compatibility information I've found is correct, there is only little choice:

- Akoustik Piano: this is the one I already have. I love the Steingraeber upright, but the other pianos are too dry for me. Besides: Akoustik Piano is said to be discontinued.

- Galaxy: well, as plugorama sais, the old version of Galaxy Steinway is running on the receptor. But since the new version is out for 1 1/2 years (and currently not compatible with receptor), I don't know where to get the old version.

- Ivory: Plugorama says: "Please note that Ivory v1.7 and higher is not yet compatible with Receptor"

- Art Vista: same here: VGP2 is not compatible with receptor.

- PMI Boesendorfer: this one is fairly old now. Is it still state of the art? Is it available at all?

Am I missing something? The receptor currently doesn't seem a good choice for people who want a good piano library in the first place...

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Per Lichtman
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:18 am reply with quote
Hi Matt,

I don't have a lot additional info. I'm afraid but I wanted to point out some options you might not have considered yet.

At least one version of Kontakt has been confirmed to work with Receptor, right? So if you use Kontakt than any library that doesn't use encryption should work without any issue.

Now, in the case of several of the libraries mentioned, they can be loaded in Kontakt but need to be authorized using the NI Service so it's a big question mark

However, there are many piano libraries that do not use encryption and are available for the Kontakt platform. SampleTekk has many such libraries, including variations on the PMI Bösendorfer. Personally I'm partial to the PMI Emperor.

Here are all their pianos:http://sampletekk.com/products.php?cat=44

Also, the Malmsjö Acoustic Grand is available in the appropriate Kontakt format.
http://www.artvista.net/the_sampled_piano.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:37 pm reply with quote
+1 for sampletekk. I have them all. I thought that their "TSO" worked extremely well on my RevC under Kontakt 2. It's not as huge as some of their others, but has a nice rich "close" sound...fits in well to many genres and sounds great solo with some reverb.
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mat123
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:38 pm reply with quote
Per&Hybernation, thanks much!

I've checked out SampleTekks site and it's really hard to obtain an overview of the many pianos. For the moment I'm most interested in the Black Grand.

Can you confirm that Black Grand is working on receptor?

How does the installation procedure work?

thanks in advance,
mat123
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Per Lichtman
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:03 pm reply with quote
Mat: do you have Kontakt already working on your Muse? If so, the installation process for SampleTekk is simply copying the library files to anyplace on the Muse where Kontakt can see them, so it's very easy. No installer or advanced knowledge necessary.

I can't confirm the library specifically in terms of having used it on the Muse, but having used it on other platforms I know about their copy protection etc.: it's as easy as a Kontakt library can get. No additional hoops to jump through and no authorizations.
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mat123
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:21 pm reply with quote
Per Lichtman wrote:
Mat: do you have Kontakt already working on your Muse?


I have Art Vista running. On the top left of Art Vista's edit window there is the "Kontakt" logo. I don't know if that qualifies a "working Kontakt"...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:21 pm reply with quote
I've run Black Grand (close) and the Seven Seas Grand in Kontakt 2 on my Rev C Receptor with zero problems. I currently do not have them installed as I've run out of hard drive space (and I thought 160 gigs would be plenty when I bought my Receptor two years ago - should have known better). As with all sampled pianos they worked well in some situations/styles better than others. I've been contemplating TSO, as I've read some positive reports on that piano - you just can't have enough sampled pianos.
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Per Lichtman
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:52 pm reply with quote
mat123 wrote:
Per Lichtman wrote:
Mat: do you have Kontakt already working on your Muse?


I have Art Vista running. On the top left of Art Vista's edit window there is the "Kontakt" logo. I don't know if that qualifies a "working Kontakt"...


Ah, no that sounds like you bought an instrument that uses a Kontakt Player. Unfortunately, the Kontakt Players will only run the libraries you've bought that come with a Kontakt Player. The SampleTekk instruments mentioned are easy to use with the full version of Kontakt on Muse precisely because they don't come with a Kontakt Player: they are just standard library.

So, since you don't have the full version of Kontakt, it sounds like you are back to square one. Sad
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mat123
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:26 am reply with quote
[quote="Per Lichtman"][quote="mat123"]
Per Lichtman wrote:
So, since you don't have the full version of Kontakt, it sounds like you are back to square one. Sad


Well, not really, I am heavily thinking about buying a second hand kontakt 2.

As for encryption (you mentioned this):
There are lots of potentially encrypted Kontakt libraries that I would like to get running within my soon-to-buy Kontakt 2 (I have just started another thread asking for galaxy II, which I already own). NI Service Center is running on my receptor, so that may help to overcome encryption, doesn't it? Do I have to check for each library if authorization works on the receptor or not?

thanks,
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:42 am reply with quote
It might very well: I'm afraid you'd have to e-mail Muse or Native Instruments though, as I haven't ventured into that area because I didn't want to deal with the potential for technical difficulties.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:38 pm reply with quote
I'm pretty sure Galaxy II (and a host of other current piano libraries - BDMO, Garritan Steinway, QL Pianos etc.) are not yet Receptorized. I believe Muse is hoping that the new OS and Receptor 2 configurations will allow them to more quickly ease the log jam of plugs awaiting to be Receptorized. I have faith (and hope) that Muse will be acting quickly to get more Plugs Receptorized now that they have released the new hardware. Having said that, there are currently some excellent piano libraries (and physical modeling pianos) available - including the Sampletekk stuff.
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mat123
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:31 pm reply with quote
TWB121234 wrote:
I'm pretty sure Galaxy II (and a host of other current piano libraries - BDMO, Garritan Steinway, QL Pianos etc.) are not yet Receptorized. I believe Muse is hoping that the new OS and Receptor 2 configurations will allow them to more quickly ease the log jam of plugs awaiting to be Receptorized. I have faith (and hope) that Muse will be acting quickly to get more Plugs Receptorized now that they have released the new hardware. Having said that, there are currently some excellent piano libraries (and physical modeling pianos) available - including the Sampletekk stuff.
Tom B


Officially, Galaxy II is not receptorized. The reason for this is that - when using Galaxy II out of the box - it is working with a customized version of Kontakt 2 ("Kontakt 2 player") that is not compatible with receptor. However, Galaxy II can also be used within the full version of Kontakt 2 , which is receptorized. Still, it is possible that I am running into trouble, e.g. due to licensing questions. Garritan Steinway is a different story, because it uses a player (ARIA) of which there is no receptorized version I've heard of. BDMO, however, is a very interesting question, because BDMO, too, is officially compatible with the full version of Kontakt 2. I see two possibilities why there are no reports about Galaxy II, BDMO etc working on the receptor: 1st, they don't work and, 2nd, no one tried, because Kontakt 2 is quite expensive and one would have to buy it in *addition* to the respective library (galaxy, BDMO...).

-mat123
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:19 am reply with quote
just an update: I am playing Sampletekks Black Grand in Kontakt2 on my receptor and I'm happy. When I play for my own, BG ambient is just perfect. Very real and wonderful sound, just what I need. I had to play a little bit with the settings to slightly reduce the dynamic range, I even wrote a 3 line script to add stretched tuning. Now it perfectly fits my needs. Unfortunately Kontakt is quite unstable (crashes on save, doesn't load the complete sample set on 1st attempt), but this is a different issue. Maybe I'll play a different library (BG close?) with the band, I'm not yet decided here. So, finally I've found a solution to be happy with my receptor (thanks Per & Hybernation).
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:19 pm reply with quote
I use Ivory and it works fine..older version than current...
Im waiting for the Bluthner to get Recrized..but I dont think its going to happen..
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:06 pm reply with quote
+1 ADino. I hope they get BDMO working.
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