Pianoteq 3.5 and Pianoteq Pro released

[koolkeys]

Just a heads up on this:

http://www.pianoteq.com/home

Apparently(I haven't tried yet), the modeling is vastly improved. The demo video seems to have more 'life' in the comparison(they do a comparison with version 3), most likely due to the changes in overtones and resonance.

Version 3.5 is free to all users.

The Pro version introduces PER NOTE settings for 22 parameters. Since both the Pro and Standard version share the same new engine improvements, if somebody creates a patch with Pro, it can be loaded in Standard.

I haven't tried it yet myself at all, so I can't say whether the sound is better or not yet.

Brent

[daverich]

well i have to say the demo movie is pretty impressive - until you get to the rock piano - that's sounds terrible.

The beginning bit is good though,- and finally this technology is showing promise...incidentally, just how powerful cpu-wise is the V-piano?

Don't like it enough to buy it yet, but I'll certainly be keeping an eye on it..

Kind regards

Dave Rich

[koolkeys]

well i have to say the demo movie is pretty impressive - until you get to the rock piano - that's sounds terrible.

The beginning bit is good though,- and finally this technology is showing promise...incidentally, just how powerful cpu-wise is the V-piano?

Don't like it enough to buy it yet, but I'll certainly be keeping an eye on it..

Kind regards

Dave Rich

Are you talking about the add-on rock piano, or a demo audio file for a standard model? Sorry, just making sure I know which one you're talking about.

Pianoteq offers more organic pianos than other options, at the expense of sometimes being inconsistent across the keyboard. Hopefully, the pro version and the new model will fix that. Of course, you can't choose different models for different parts of the keyboard, but you can change almost everything else.

I see they have also added velocity curve control for note release and sustain pedal, which is something I haven't seen before. Everyone else just seems to include a normal 'note on' velocity curve. But it makes sense to include the others since that IS part of how a real piano reacts. Maybe that will help people adjust Pianoteq to fit their controller keyboard more precisely?

One thing is for sure though. From version 2 to version 3.5, there have been a huge amount of sound improvements. I'm looking forward to playing 3.5 to see if it really is better. Maybe tomorrow sometime.

Brent

[daverich]

well i have to say the demo movie is pretty impressive - until you get to the rock piano - that's sounds terrible.

The beginning bit is good though,- and finally this technology is showing promise...incidentally, just how powerful cpu-wise is the V-piano?

Don't like it enough to buy it yet, but I'll certainly be keeping an eye on it..

Kind regards

Dave Rich

Are you talking about the add-on rock piano, or a demo audio file for a standard model? Sorry, just making sure I know which one you're talking about.

Pianoteq offers more organic pianos than other options, at the expense of sometimes being inconsistent across the keyboard. Hopefully, the pro version and the new model will fix that. Of course, you can't choose different models for different parts of the keyboard, but you can change almost everything else.

I see they have also added velocity curve control for note release and sustain pedal, which is something I haven't seen before. Everyone else just seems to include a normal 'note on' velocity curve. But it makes sense to include the others since that IS part of how a real piano reacts. Maybe that will help people adjust Pianoteq to fit their controller keyboard more precisely?

One thing is for sure though. From version 2 to version 3.5, there have been a huge amount of sound improvements. I'm looking forward to playing 3.5 to see if it really is better. Maybe tomorrow sometime.

Brent

I'm talking about the youtube link on their webiste, - the last bit shows off their rock piano- I dunno what preset or whatever it is.

Kind regards

Dave Rich

[koolkeys]

well i have to say the demo movie is pretty impressive - until you get to the rock piano - that's sounds terrible.

The beginning bit is good though,- and finally this technology is showing promise...incidentally, just how powerful cpu-wise is the V-piano?

Don't like it enough to buy it yet, but I'll certainly be keeping an eye on it..

Kind regards

Dave Rich

Are you talking about the add-on rock piano, or a demo audio file for a standard model? Sorry, just making sure I know which one you're talking about.

Pianoteq offers more organic pianos than other options, at the expense of sometimes being inconsistent across the keyboard. Hopefully, the pro version and the new model will fix that. Of course, you can't choose different models for different parts of the keyboard, but you can change almost everything else.

I see they have also added velocity curve control for note release and sustain pedal, which is something I haven't seen before. Everyone else just seems to include a normal 'note on' velocity curve. But it makes sense to include the others since that IS part of how a real piano reacts. Maybe that will help people adjust Pianoteq to fit their controller keyboard more precisely?

One thing is for sure though. From version 2 to version 3.5, there have been a huge amount of sound improvements. I'm looking forward to playing 3.5 to see if it really is better. Maybe tomorrow sometime.

Brent

I'm talking about the youtube link on their webiste, - the last bit shows off their rock piano- I dunno what preset or whatever it is.

Kind regards

Dave Rich

Ok, I see now. You are talking about the video on their main page, while I was watching the videos for 3.5, which don't have a rock piano sound in them.

I think that is the add-on. I agree, when I first tried it I found it a bit lacking. I was fairly happy with the results I got after tweaking it though. That is only one preset they were showing, and you can change the sound a TON. There is so much you can do, including changing microphone positioning in 3D, that it's hard to say what they were playing exactly.

Keep in mind that there are also many free add-ons of varying types.

If I can put together a better demo of the rock piano, I will. That one in the video definitely wasn't the best it can do(not saying the model is perfect, but it's better than that, IMO).

Brent

[VicDiesel]

The Pro version introduces PER NOTE settings for 22 parameters.

Apart from emulating a piano with a buzzing string, or something like that, who has time to do something constructive with this?

I hope someone will be crazy enough to make some presets and then release them for free or cheap, because I certainly don't have the ambition. A piano should just play out of the box: either it's a good sound or it isn't. Per note tweaking? Life isn't long enough.

Victor.

[eduardo_b]

The Pro version introduces PER NOTE settings for 22 parameters.

Does anyone actually need this. Seems more like one of those "because we can" things.

[tony Smyth]

For John Cage prepared piano type stuff?

[Jake Jackson]

Well, one thing that the note-by-note editing of the parameters allows is replicating the sound of almost any piano. You can record notes from your home piano and then recreate them for a preset. Or record notes from a radio song that has a piano sound that you like, and then have that piano, instead of trying to find a sample set that comes close.

The process becomes much more efficient as you learn what each parameter controls. Seems as though it would take forever, at first, but for many of the settings, the way a piano is constructed helps--the impedance of the soundboard, for example, tends to be similar in nearby notes\regions. If you get one note right, those near it can take the same or a similar setting. On the other hand, the aspects that are independent--such as a few notes with wider union detuning on a beat-up piano, can also be controlled note by note.

[koolkeys]

The Pro version introduces PER NOTE settings for 22 parameters.

Does anyone actually need this. Seems more like one of those "because we can" things.

Well, Pianoteq is kind of that way already. But it is one of the most requested features because many times, you don't want the upper registers to react the same exact way as the lower registers.

You don't have to go through all 88 keys, though you can if you want. You can adjust entire ranges of notes, draw "lines" over note ranges, etc. I doubt most people will try to adjust 22 individual parameters for all 88 keys individually, which is why there seems to be many little tools available to help with this.

You'll see if you watch the video. It's not as convoluted as it may sound. Sure, you CAN adjust 88 individual notes, but in most cases, that's not what you will actually need to do.

Brent

[benjamind]

Still only 88 notes? You can't recreate a Bosendorfer Imperial 290, which is IMHO the king of the grand pianos?

I'm starting to wonder why they bothered with it, to be honest, why didn't they allow people to change the actual range of NOTES, as well as allowing to change settings per note?

I would like to see a 97 key piano being built in Pianoteq. Perhaps that won't happen. Perhaps it could happen, but I'm not familiar with there being any way to change the range of notes that are playable. I thought it was 88 keys and that was it. Hey Modartt, there does exist a grand piano that actually has more than 88 keys.

Can anyone clue me in on it?

Ben

[koolkeys]

Still only 88 notes? You can't recreate a Bosendorfer Imperial 290, which is IMHO the king of the grand pianos?

I'm starting to wonder why they bothered with it, to be honest, why didn't they allow people to change the actual range of NOTES, as well as allowing to change settings per note?

Well, I don't know their reasons at all, but the large majority of pianos don't have more than 88 notes, so it's not like Pianoteq is useless. It just can't fully emulate the range of a particular piano maker. It can still do the SOUND of it(in the range given), just not the range. Not to mention that there are thousands of other piano combinations(understatement) possible.

I do wish they would add the ability to add the extra notes, and I think it's one of the definite negatives. But I still think the per-note thing isn't wasted by any stretch considering all it CAN do.

Brent

[EvilDragon]

Bosendorfer is the only one having more than 88 keys, AFAIK (it has 92).

And 92-key MIDI controllers are VERY rare. I think it won't happen. I can't see much sense there. Those extra bass notes are so rarely used that it's really nitpicking to ask them do it.

[koolkeys]

Bosendorfer is the only one having more than 88 keys, AFAIK (it has 92).

And 92-key MIDI controllers are VERY rare. I think it won't happen. I can't see much sense there. Those extra bass notes are so rarely used that it's really nitpicking to ask them do it.

And considering that Pianoteq is designed to be played more than it is to be programmed, it's probably something that isn't going to affect more than only a few users, if that.

As much as it would be cool to have, it's a very minor issue in the end, IMO.

Brent

[Dr.Wu]

i dont think there is any midicontroller with more than 88 keys