KVR Audio

giant vegetables · Post by **giant vegetables** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:47 am

i am attempting to make a LFO which will send CC information, but am having problems with using it inside Ableton.

basically if it incorporates audio in/out Ableton wont let it send midi, and if i don't incorporate an audio in (or out) then the audio oscillator wont do anything (doesnt oscillate) so cant generate anything useful..

so, was wondering about creating it as a stand alone synthedit app, i have seen this with T-SE101 where everything seems to be embedded in 1 file. how would i do this ???

or alternatively, can i get an audio oscillator to oscillate in a MIDI plugin scenario ??

antto · Post by **antto** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:56 am

i think you can make a standalone app out of any VST.. there was a (freeware?) VST host that lets you do this, but i don't know anything more, probably someone else knows ;]

deraudrl · Post by **deraudrl** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:06 am

antto wrote:i think you can make a standalone app out of any VST.. there was a (freeware?) VST host that lets you do this, but i don't know anything more, probably someone else knows ;]

Well, there's SAVIhost, but you still end up with two files: the SAVIhost executable (renamed to 'vstname.exe') and the VST file ('vstname.dll').

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:13 pm

Xoxos said once for midi plugins inside Ableton, you need dummy audio pins too.

deraudrl · Post by **deraudrl** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:29 pm

You might also want to post this question over on the DSP/Development forum (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=33). While you're there, it sounds like this guy is having a very similar problem: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267688.

I have no clue what would be required to mangle the SE components into a suitable form, but if you have an open-source mini-host, it may be possible to just embed the VST DLL file into the host as a resource at link time. (I'm assuming Windows...if this is for Mac/Linux/whatever, I'm outta here.)

stk · Post by **stk** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:13 am

RunBeerRun wrote:Xoxos said once for midi plugins inside Ableton, you need dummy audio pins too.

This is true of FLStudio - unless there's (dummy) audio-out pins, some hosts will ignore the plugin altogether.

giant vegetables · Post by **giant vegetables** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:09 am

yeh, i havent quite worked out a clean way of using dummy audio pins, so having just been adding the flange effect in there

how do you add dummy audio pins

?? i cant work it out yet

this gets the oscillators to work. then there is a method as used for the Sanford LFO to route MIDI within Ableton but cant get parameter to "learn" to respond to the CC so need to set up the controller numbers seperately.

see the Sanford FAQ for MIDI routing method.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=262201

edward

stk · Post by **stk** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:30 am

how do you add dummy audio pins?

I just connect two wires from the audio out module to the main container of my plugin, then within that connect those pins to an empty subcontainer.