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Music without the right "artist" is dead
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itsDavidAbraham
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:02 am reply with quote
Take your best production, put a talented local singer on it. It goes nowhere,

put Rihanna on it, Same lyrics same melodies.

It goes everywhere and you're rich.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:06 am reply with quote
Yep. The only way to make a decent amount of money... is to have a decent amount of money Tantrum
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:06 am reply with quote
You're probably trying to reach out to a demographic which is more interested in celebrity worship rather than actual music, making it a hopeless endeavor from the start. Those types of consumers will never care about whatever music is attached to the brand they're buying.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:19 am reply with quote
GeckoYamori wrote:
You're probably trying to reach out to a demographic which is more interested in celebrity worship rather than actual music, making it a hopeless endeavor from the start. Those types of consumers will never care about whatever music is attached to the brand they're buying.


Yep, and THEY are the majority. Original music, as art, is moving more and more into an avant-garde form. Everthing else is grist for the entertainment mill or background noise to be ignored. Perhaps, music was always destined to return to a local endeveor of entertainment and self-expression. Nothing wrong with that. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:21 am reply with quote
itsDavidAbraham wrote:
Take your best production, put a talented local singer on it. It goes nowhere,

put Rihanna on it, Same lyrics same melodies.

It goes everywhere and you're rich.


I'm pretty sure you're being tongue in cheek, but if not then I call bollocks.


Music isn't dead just 'cos Simon Cowell said so.
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itsDavidAbraham
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:38 am reply with quote
GeckoYamori wrote:
You're probably trying to reach out to a demographic which is more interested in celebrity worship rather than actual music, making it a hopeless endeavor from the start. Those types of consumers will never care about whatever music is attached to the brand they're buying.


Kinda....the consumer is now relying on brands to endorse the music..no endorsement...no hit.
And they endorse it by being the "vocalist". Today singers are really spokesmodels for the songs.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:43 am reply with quote
so how is this different from the rest of the history of popular music?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:44 am reply with quote
Doug1978 wrote:
Music isn't dead just 'cos Simon Cowell said so.


Simon Cowell is the one who KILLED it! Shit! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:50 am reply with quote
whyterabbyt wrote:
so how is this different from the rest of the history of popular music?


It's different because of the ubiquity of, and easy access to, all music, as well as the sheer volume being produced and distributed daily. That's influencing consumer behavior in new ways. Yeah, the story may seem similar but I think we are certainly in a new era where being successful is more closely linked to a personal brand that is more concerned with performance and image than original expression (as an art form). Many of the classic bands would not have a shot today because they relied only on a committed fan base and creating "good music". Today's fans are FAR more fickle and a lot less loyal than ever before. That's what I'm seeing anyway. Shrug
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:51 am reply with quote
whyterabbyt wrote:
so how is this different from the rest of the history of popular music?

Precisely! "Popular" by nature is 'trendy', and "trendy" by nature is fickle.

Adapt, improvise, innovate, or get used to it being beyond your particular 'reach' (if not interest), and withdraw from the 'machine' all together.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:55 am reply with quote
That's a machine I never had interest in. Respect of peers and a small income would be sufficient.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:57 am reply with quote
whyterabbyt wrote:
so how is this different from the rest of the history of popular music?


Difference wasn't suggested Smile
But newer generations are not born with knowledge of the truth.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:59 am reply with quote
itsDavidAbraham wrote:
Take your best production, put a talented local singer on it. It goes nowhere,

put Rihanna on it, Same lyrics same melodies.


Why not just spend less time in the studio, and spend more time working on your appearance and image, and you'll be rich and famous with almost no effort. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Shrug
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:00 am reply with quote
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:00 am reply with quote
Shabdahbriah wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
so how is this different from the rest of the history of popular music?

Precisely! "Popular" by nature is 'trendy', and "trendy" by nature is fickle.


Fair enough, but it IS different by virtue of the variables (new technology) changing. I don't know how you can claim that popular music is as it always was when we now have music downloads, sample libraries and auto-tune. Today, so-called "real" band music is easily (and indistinguishably) replaced by something manufactured by a single person in a bedroom with the above tools readily (and mostly, freely) available. That, to me, is the game changer and its effects on what we are calling "popular music" are evident.
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