Bitwig

stamp · Post by **stamp** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:28 pm

And why you decided for 159euros for 1 year instead of something more in line with other daw prices?
IMO 99euros would be a better deal... and not only for us customers...

Thanks!

dom@bitwig · Post by **dom@bitwig** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:35 pm

I personally don't decide about the price, as you might already guessed.
The official statement for the reasoning behind the new pricing model can be found here:
https://www.bitwig.com/en/17/new-license-model.html

Cheers,
Dom

stamp · Post by **stamp** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:44 pm

With "you" I intended the Bitwig Team, of course.
Thanks anyway.

Alveek · Post by **Alveek** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:45 pm

Hey, Dom!
When beta version will be available for test?

dom@bitwig · Post by **dom@bitwig** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:49 pm

There's no exact deadline and I guess we'll switch from Alpha to the first small Beta rounds within the next two weeks, depends a bit on the Alpha feedback.

Cheers,
Dom

sisarii · Post by **sisarii** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:35 pm

dom@bitwig wrote:I personally don't decide about the price, as you might already guessed.
The official statement for the reasoning behind the new pricing model can be found here:
https://www.bitwig.com/en/17/new-license-model.html

Cheers,
Dom

From the posts I 've seen online it seems that the bitwig team thinks people do not understand the new model. However they do understand its nature and that you own the software. Everyone does by now. Its the pricing that is a huge issue. This is debated to death in bitwig 2 dedicated threads in gearslutz/reddit/kvr and on your facebook comment section as well as the youtube comments. There is just an overwhelming feedback regarding pricing the product 3 times as much per year related to the competition and just that.

If you could let the team know that its not about the model of payment but the relative price to it and the absurdity of getting to be the most expensive daw per year, in some cases by 3 times as much if you want to have access to updates and fixes like in any other daw that a user wants to keep up with the new versions, they might understand what the community is raging all about..

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:20 pm

This assumes you upgrade every year, I only upgrade similar models (Komplete Ultimate etc) every 2-3 years (when something relay worthwhile comes along) and it works out (wait for it...) 2-3 times cheaper than upgrading every year for stuff I don't want/need.

Assuming you only have to upgrade to get 'new features' (and your copy is stable and bug free) then you can divide the subscription by 2 or even 3 just like any 2 or 3 year upgrade cycles on other DAWS....

steff3 · Post by **steff3** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:31 pm

SLiC wrote:This assumes you upgrade every year, I only upgrade similar models (Komplete Ultimate etc) every 2-3 years (when something relay worthwhile comes along) and it works out (wait for it...) 2-3 times cheaper than upgrading every year for stuff I don't want/need.

Assuming you only have to upgrade to get 'new features' (and your copy is stable and bug free) then you can divide the subscription by 2 or even 3 just like any 2 or 3 year upgrade cycles on other DAWS....

With Komplete you do not need to have the latest Komplete version to get updates for the included products (as long as the version is not linked to the latest Komplete). So, even with older Komplete versions you get updates to e.g. Kontakt, Massive, etc. And probably support, if there are issues.

so, not really a similar model IMHO.

best

Rappo Clappo · Post by **Rappo Clappo** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:41 pm

If you are looking for the CEO, here he is! I'd say drop 'em a line

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7IAU-TIjU

SpaceTraffic · Post by **SpaceTraffic** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:08 pm

Rappo Clappo wrote:If you are looking for the CEO, here he is! I'd say drop 'em a line

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7IAU-TIjU

Darn! I thought Treemonster was their CEO. What a disappointment!

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:35 pm

Rappo Clappo wrote:If you are looking for the CEO, here he is! I'd say drop 'em a line

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7IAU-TIjU

This is also Pete Brown from Microsoft? Nice guy, very helpful and with a lot of inside information about the audio part in Windows at Gearslutz.

llze · Post by **llze** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:39 pm

4damind wrote:
Rappo Clappo wrote:If you are looking for the CEO, here he is! I'd say drop 'em a line

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7IAU-TIjU
This is also Pete Brown from Microsoft? Nice guy, very helpful and with a lot of inside information about the audio part in Windows at Gearslutz.

look a few seconds longer maybe

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:40 pm

There is that... You can wait till the feature you're waiting for appears. And you can lapse and jump back in at any time for the same price. If I'm not mistaken, Avid charges $99 a year but jumping back in after letting it lapse is $249. Clever. Caveat emptor.

And thanks Dom.

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:07 pm

jonljacobi wrote:There is that... You can wait till the feature you're waiting for appears. And you can lapse and jump back in at any time for the same price.

Just like with all software. But you do understand the other differences to normal software updates though? Under BWS2 scheme, you stop getting any updates after 12 months from last payment. With normal software, you get free updates until next major version, and the cost of upgrading is significantly lower for all major competitors when divided into annual slices like BWS.

In other words, you get less for a higher price.

Andrei Marchenko · Post by **Andrei Marchenko** » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:10 am

People here do not complaining about 169$. People complaining about next thing: When 12 months period will be finished you will not receive any bug fixes. That's the main reason for all negative in media now.

Example: I have update/upgrade period from February 28th 2017/February 28th 2018. In Bitwig i have a bug on my system and with that bug production process is very hard for me. They don't fix it in February 28th 2017/February 28th 2018 period and fixed in the beginning of March 2018. I need to pay 169$ to get new update with this bug fix.

I will pay 199$ if they want but want to receive bug fixes for free. That's my point of view.

Bitwig

KVR Audio

Dom, can you please explain the reasoning behind the new pricing model?