Why is bounce in place not sample accurate?

[OdoSendaidokai]

There is a setting that could be the reason?

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[valankar]

There is a setting that could be the reason?

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Unfortunately same behavior with that unchecked.

[Jac459]

There is a setting that could be the reason?

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Unfortunately same behavior with that unchecked.

Are you sure ? I could reproduce the bug without the setting change but now that I have suppressed the automatic fade, I can't reproduce it anymore even when I bounce in place multiple time.
I am on m2 pro, macOS Sonoma if it matters.

[forever880days]

I think it is most likely a problem with the sandbox mode, because I found that the audio rendered in different sandbox modes is completely different.

[valankar]

Are you sure ? I could reproduce the bug without the setting change but now that I have suppressed the automatic fade, I can't reproduce it anymore even when I bounce in place multiple time.
I am on m2 pro, macOS Sonoma if it matters.

Yes. Note you have to make a change to the sample as the OP says, so the issue is a bit subtle. A video showing the process and result:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQK3ziegX5Y

[IAMDOOMED]

bounce in place does a lot of weird things. sometimes when I bounce a drum loop, the first hit is like faded.
or a limited sample is clipping over 0db after bounce. This is such a big problem for me that Iam thinking about to switch DAW at the moment.

[nowiamone]

https://www.youtube.com/live/sQochiMOzO ... xSs&t=1791

One of the Bounce - problems is described here, starting with minute 29.40

Quote "9 times out of 10, whenever i pull up some kind of kick and resample it, i end up losing the transient"

It's a known problem, and it sucks, and it hopefully will be patched out of Bitwig.

[JHernandez]

Have you any of you noticed this issue with regular Bounce? (to a new track) Personally I haven't and that's what I use. Just curious.

[Jac459]

https://www.youtube.com/live/sQochiMOzO ... xSs&t=1791

One of the Bounce - problems is described here, starting with minute 29.40

Quote "9 times out of 10, whenever i pull up some kind of kick and resample it, i end up losing the transient"

It's a known problem, and it sucks, and it hopefully will be patched out of Bitwig.

Isn't this one simply due to the autofade as described earlier?

[nowiamone]

https://www.youtube.com/live/sQochiMOzO ... xSs&t=1791

One of the Bounce - problems is described here, starting with minute 29.40

Quote "9 times out of 10, whenever i pull up some kind of kick and resample it, i end up losing the transient"

It's a known problem, and it sucks, and it hopefully will be patched out of Bitwig.

Isn't this one simply due to the autofade as described earlier?

It would have been a wonderfully simple solution, but no.

Recordings and Bouncings are not affected by autofade. They arent what Bitwig calls "Audio-Edits" in its Autofade settings. Audio Edits are a very limited category, like Splitting.

Actually, i was filing a feature request to Bitwig some weeks ago, to please include a second Autofade setting, which affects recordings. Which is really necessary for live performance, to get rid of harsh "blips/clicks" at the beginning of clips in the Launcher. (When recording long sustained notes which already play before hitting record!) Ableton has a "FADE" Button in each Clip for that purpose, which is turned on by default.

[nowiamone]

Have you any of you noticed this issue with regular Bounce? (to a new track) Personally I haven't and that's what I use. Just curious.

Yea Alchemy Neuro is using regular bounce in his example (bouncing a phase plant kick sound into a fresh audio track)

[catzilla]

Yes. Note you have to make a change to the sample as the OP says, so the issue is a bit subtle. A video showing the process and result:

I tried to reproduce what you did there. Things seem even more interesting. I run the bounced clip and the original one with polarity inverted in one bar loop. 4 out of 5 iterations they don't cancel each other and there is sound but every fifth loop iteration it's complete silence like it should be in the first place! I also tried to compensate for phase shift you showed with the Time Shift device on the bounced clip. Now it's 4/5 silence and every 5th it produces sound! How is that even possible. Phase depends on transport or what.

[valankar]

Yes. Note you have to make a change to the sample as the OP says, so the issue is a bit subtle. A video showing the process and result:

I tried to reproduce what you did there. Things seem even more interesting. I run the bounced clip and the original one with phase inverted in one bar loop. 4 out of 5 iterations they don't cancel each other and there is sound but every fifth loop iteration it's complete silence like it should be in the first place! I also tried to compensate for phase shift you showed with the Time Shift device on the bounced clip. Now it's 4/5 silence and every 5th it produces sound! How is that even possible. Phase depends on transport or what.

Oh wow I just noticed this too, and it's even in the video and I didn't realize it. Every so often it does cancel. Indeed it doesn't make much sense.

[Dionysos]

Has anyone contacted Bitwig about this directly? They should be able to shed some light on this.

[valankar]

Has anyone contacted Bitwig about this directly? They should be able to shed some light on this.

Yes, I just reported it to Bitwig support.