MCCGenerator alternatives? (plugins used to modulate parameters of other plugins)

[Digitt]

My use case: I'm using Reaper and Reaper only allows one modulator per parameter (via "parameter link").

My thought is that with MCCGenerator I can link the first knob (i.e. CC1), to a parameter in a plugin in reaper (let's say my filter cutoff on a synth) and then assign multiple modulators to that CC1 knob.

However, finding MCCGenerator a bit limited (I posted here about the limitation viewtopic.php?p=8890640#p8890640)

So I'm wondering if there are any alternatives I should try?

Criteria:

- Must have multiple modulators per instance (ie: Xfer LFOtool does not count as it will only modulate once per instance)
- must output either CC, CV, or have a knob that actually wiggles (that I can link to another parameter in reaper. By wiggles, I mean that serum for example the knob does not actually move).

Modulators I want to use:
- LFO
- MSEG
- Key-tracker / note-tracker / pitch-tracker (whatever you call it)
- Velocity mapping
- A sidechain modulator like bitwig's "audio sidechain" modulator would be nice but not necessary.

I'm already aware of the following plugins:

- Mmm https://gs-dsp.com/products/mmm/
- Digital Audio Modulation Processor https://dialogaudio.com/modulationprocessor/
- Cableguys midishaper

PS: please no "Why not just use bitwig". It's a great DAW, but I'm moving from it cos i only modulate these things on the odd occasion and reaper fits most of my needs 90% of the time better than bitwig does. Both are great DAWs, so please no DAW wars

[sandandpaint]

I use gatekeeper quite a bit https://polyversemusic.com/products/gatekeeper/

Reaper lets you send multiple modulations to the same parameter of a synth (for example)

[FrettedSynth]

Not sure I am understanding the question fully. BUT if I did?
Place MCCgenerator before Realearn, make sure Realearn is set for FX Input. Then use Realearn to assign to as many controls as you need/want modulated. Nice part with Realearn is it can control just about any control on a plugin on any track.

[Jonathan Shepherd]

As Sandandpaint said, Gatekeeper works well for this purpose. Then there's Mmm(magic MIDI modulator):
https://gs-dsp.com/products/mmm/
You'll have to download the whole package of their (mostly paid) plugs, but it's free and well worth it imo. All their plugs use the same modulation system and are purty neat.

[Digitt]

Reaper lets you send multiple modulations to the same parameter of a synth (for example)

no it does not. You can only link one parameter on reaper at a time. let's say you use LFOtool by Xfer records, you can send that one LFOTool to multiple parameters, but you can't put multiple LFOTools on one parameter.

[Digitt]

As Sandandpaint said, Gatekeeper works well for this purpose. Then there's Mmm(magic MIDI modulator):
https://gs-dsp.com/products/mmm/
You'll have to download the whole package of their (mostly paid) plugs, but it's free and well worth it imo. All their plugs use the same modulation system and are purty neat.

does gatekeeper have velocity mapping and keytracking? can it all modulate the exact same CC (need this cos of reaper's parameter linking limitations explained above"

I had already listed that I've checked out MMM. and Gatekeeper seems like it is the same sort of thing as LFO tool and midishaper which I already said would not fit my criteria. Please read my original post carefully

[Digitt]

Not sure I am understanding the question fully. BUT if I did?
Place MCCgenerator before Realearn, make sure Realearn is set for FX Input. Then use Realearn to assign to as many controls as you need/want modulated. Nice part with Realearn is it can control just about any control on a plugin on any track.

I have already tried realearn and it doesn't sum the CC values properly, at least from what I've tried. There is a post about it here that I made. if you have any insight on how to get it working properly, that would be appreciated, but after alot of trying, it is still not working in practice as intended on paper https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=290403

[Jonathan Shepherd]

Sorry, I usually pride myself on knowing before speaking, but hey we all slip from time to time aka "everybody's s**t stinks"

[Digitt]

Sorry, I usually pride myself on knowing before speaking, but hey we all slip from time to time aka "everybody's s**t stinks"

no worries s**t happens and I appreciate your intention and energy used in trying to help

[sandandpaint]

Reaper lets you send multiple modulations to the same parameter of a synth (for example)

no it does not. You can only link one parameter on reaper at a time. let's say you use LFOtool by Xfer records, you can send that one LFOTool to multiple parameters, but you can't put multiple LFOTools on one parameter.

Before posting I checked by sending multiple gatekeepers to modulate a single parameter on Thorn - worked fine and as Thorn visually responds on the interface it was simple to check. But, you do you.

[Digitt]

Before posting I checked by sending multiple gatekeepers to modulate a single parameter on Thorn - worked fine and as Thorn visually responds on the interface it was simple to check. But, you do you.

Can you explain how you did it? I assume you sent them all to the same CC number? I have tried that with LFO tool and it doesn't work properly, so good to know if gatekeeper can do that then it might be useful. But, can gatekeeper do keytracking and velocity tracking? if not, then it also isn't really what i am needing for my workflow.

When you said this:

Reaper lets you send multiple modulations to the same parameter of a synth (for example)

I was referring to being able to link parameters, as you can see here, only one parameter can be linked: https://imgur.com/a/vAcEc07

[sandandpaint]

I was referring to being able to link parameters, as you can see here, only one parameter can be linked: https://imgur.com/a/vAcEc07

that's your problem then

[Digitt]

I was referring to being able to link parameters, as you can see here, only one parameter can be linked: https://imgur.com/a/vAcEc07

that's your problem then

no need to be rude, I didn't mean any offence? I was just indicating that your statement said "Reaper lets you send multiple modulations to the same parameter". In isolation without additional information (such as that you were using the same CC for multiple gatekeepers), that statement seems incorrect.

I have tried sending multiple LFOTools to the same CC number and the results did not work at all. just tried it again now and it doesn't work, it made my filter cutoff jump and stutter. So because of that, I didn't think that is what you were doing, you didn't specify. You had just said reaper lets you send multiple modulations so I corrected the statement, and was certainly not upset when I did so

[sandandpaint]

I was referring to being able to link parameters, as you can see here, only one parameter can be linked: https://imgur.com/a/vAcEc07

that's your problem then

no need to be rude, I didn't mean any offence? I was just indicating that your statement said "Reaper lets you send multiple modulations to the same parameter". In isolation without additional information (such as that you were using the same CC for multiple gatekeepers), that statement seems incorrect.

I have tried sending multiple LFOTools to the same CC number and the results did not work at all. just tried it again now and it doesn't work, it made my filter cutoff jump and stutter. So because of that, I didn't think that is what you were doing, you didn't specify. You had just said reaper lets you send multiple modulations so I corrected the statement, and was certainly not upset when I did so

goodness you are a prickly customer - your problem as far as I can see is sending the cc's to the linking tool and then onto the vst to be modulated. I just send gatekeeper's cc's directly to the vst, no intervening step. Works fine. An alternative is to stack automation items to the same cc - that also works.
As for key/pitch/velocity mapping - there ar other simple utilities, such as a jsfx Notes to cc, for that which you could make part of a permanent fx chain and get the result you seem to be looking for

[ElVincente]

Mulab plugin could probably do all that.