Is outstanding musical talent related to intelligence?
- KVRAF
- 12555 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
What kind of question is that? Do some research.
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- 6129 posts since 9 Oct, 2007 from an inharmonious society
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- KVRAF
- 4321 posts since 26 Jun, 2004
Directly?aciddose wrote:IQ isn't related to genius, in fact IQ is related directly to how far one will go in terms of higher education
I havent done much research beyond my own experience, and Im a lil afraid to post because I assume that aciddose probably knows what he is talking about, but my experience with high-IQs does not align with that at all.
But I agree that it is related to obsessive behavior. No doubt. 'Convenient' obsessions can be the mark of genius, while others are the mark of madness.
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- 10196 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head
There isn't any guarantee that you'll get a higher eduction because of a higher IQ. If you're from a poor family, you can have a high IQ but won't get the needed support & money for higher education.
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- KVRAF
- 4321 posts since 26 Jun, 2004
I was thinking he meant how successful one could be in saying 'how far one will go'. Like, access issues aside.Tricky-Loops wrote:There isn't any guarantee that you'll get a higher eduction because of a higher IQ. If you're from a poor family, you can have a high IQ but won't get the needed support & money for higher education.
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- 10196 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head
A higher IQ isn't a key to success. There are many jobless academic people and other people with high IQ (yes, there are non-academic people with high IQ!) in all parts of the world...highkoo wrote:I was thinking he meant how successful one could be in saying 'how far one will go'. Like, access issues aside.Tricky-Loops wrote:There isn't any guarantee that you'll get a higher eduction because of a higher IQ. If you're from a poor family, you can have a high IQ but won't get the needed support & money for higher education.
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- KVRAF
- 4321 posts since 26 Jun, 2004
- KVRAF
- 12555 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
The thing correlated is academic achievement. We're not looking on a case-by-case basis here, but if you take everyone on earth who has a doctorate of some sort and average out their IQ, we find it is significantly higher than the total population without those sorts of degrees.
You can also get way, way more detail if you care to read individual papers on the subject.
High IQ is also directly correlated with higher job performance, inversely correlated with religious belief and fertility rates and various other interesting correlations are very well known and extensively studied.
Things not correlated with IQ:
- Success
- Income
- Fame
Etc...
You can also get way, way more detail if you care to read individual papers on the subject.
High IQ is also directly correlated with higher job performance, inversely correlated with religious belief and fertility rates and various other interesting correlations are very well known and extensively studied.
Things not correlated with IQ:
- Success
- Income
- Fame
Etc...
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- KVRist
- 158 posts since 17 Dec, 2005 from Norway
To my experience intelligence does not need to have anything to say for success in higher education. There is people in the lower range of average IQ score (on standard neuropsychological tests) who does great in higher education as well as people with high IQ who does not make it in higher education. Of that reason I ask.aciddose wrote:What kind of question is that? Do some research.
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- KVRian
- 786 posts since 18 Apr, 2011
stillshaded wrote:It's important to remember that there are basically discrete types of intelligence.
http://www.intropsych.com/ch02_human_ne ... gence.html
So, saying "are intelligence and musical skill related?" is kind of like saying "are romantic comedies and movies related?"
Musicality is a type of intelligence.
Not to sound arrogant, but.. Did anyone look at my post? It pretty much answers the question in an objective way.
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- KVRist
- 158 posts since 17 Dec, 2005 from Norway
A correlation does not say to much in itself. Many things can be correlated by coincidence. So the details are needed, both for direction (if they say that high IQ may influence academic achievement, if they say that academic achievement may influence IQ or both) and with respect to all other possible factors that may influence both IQ and academic achievement.aciddose wrote:The thing correlated is academic achievement. We're not looking on a case-by-case basis here, but if you take everyone on earth who has a doctorate of some sort and average out their IQ, we find it is significantly higher than the total population without those sorts of degrees.
You can also get way, way more detail if you care to read individual papers on the subject.
High IQ is also directly correlated with higher job performance, inversely correlated with religious belief and fertility rates and various other interesting correlations are very well known and extensively studied.
Things not correlated with IQ:
- Success
- Income
- Fame
Etc...
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- KVRist
- 158 posts since 17 Dec, 2005 from Norway
It answer the question from one possible point of view. Unfortunately not everyone in the world agree with this view, and as such there is still much research on intelligence being done.stillshaded wrote:stillshaded wrote:It's important to remember that there are basically discrete types of intelligence.
http://www.intropsych.com/ch02_human_ne ... gence.html
So, saying "are intelligence and musical skill related?" is kind of like saying "are romantic comedies and movies related?"
Musicality is a type of intelligence.
Not to sound arrogant, but.. Did anyone look at my post? It pretty much answers the question in an objective way.
- KVRAF
- 12555 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
I'm not sure what the point of repeating yourself over and over in an argumentative manner is when hundreds of studies have been conducted in detail relating to this topic.
Regardless of the concrete cause, or more importantly without care for it as it is ultimately useless to anyone to worry about this (other than yourself, for whatever reason? Lack of an ability to distinguish abstract from concrete?) we know for a fact that high IQ correlates highly with academic achievement, and likewise negatively with religion and fertility.
You might say that it is not that intelligence decreases fertility, but that intelligence increases motivations which reduce fertility by moderation of the actions of an individual due to that individual's awareness of the consequences of ones action. Why does this matter though? This sort of thing is obvious. Did someone say "intelligence causes academic achievement" ? No.
Regardless of the concrete cause, or more importantly without care for it as it is ultimately useless to anyone to worry about this (other than yourself, for whatever reason? Lack of an ability to distinguish abstract from concrete?) we know for a fact that high IQ correlates highly with academic achievement, and likewise negatively with religion and fertility.
You might say that it is not that intelligence decreases fertility, but that intelligence increases motivations which reduce fertility by moderation of the actions of an individual due to that individual's awareness of the consequences of ones action. Why does this matter though? This sort of thing is obvious. Did someone say "intelligence causes academic achievement" ? No.
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- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
I agree, having said the same thing earlier.stillshaded wrote:stillshaded wrote:It's important to remember that there are basically discrete types of intelligence.
http://www.intropsych.com/ch02_human_ne ... gence.html
So, saying "are intelligence and musical skill related?" is kind of like saying "are romantic comedies and movies related?"
Musicality is a type of intelligence.
Not to sound arrogant, but.. Did anyone look at my post? It pretty much answers the question in an objective way.
I think the notion of 'IQ' having meaning in terms of life is kind of absurd. IQ testing can determine certain parameters, but human beings would tend to test differently depending on how sharp they are that day. There are probably aspects of 'genius' in say music that are not really going to be detected from every IQ test that's out there. It's another cart pulling the horse kind of argument, isn't it.
the assertion was made that a person 'with a higher IQ' *will* go further; now, I get the figure of speech to mean the potential to go further, but success materially in life happens to people that aren't really very bright all the time. There has to be a quotient of 'well-adjusted' socially and it may well be that 'more intelligent by far than the peer group' (quantified by testing or not), for certain personalities became a problem!
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