Hmmm...bmanic wrote:Second, even if you COULD zoom all the way in, there is no friggin cross fade so you are screwed anyways. In fact, there aren't even basic fade in and fade out handles for the audio clips.
i wish fl studio was a true multitrack daw.
- KVRian
- 1147 posts since 24 Jul, 2008 from England
- KVRian
- 1147 posts since 24 Jul, 2008 from England
And may I add, my FL Studio projects are extremely (even obsessively) well organised.
Name, colour, set icons and group stuff. Easy
Name, colour, set icons and group stuff. Easy
- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
I remember recording audio in FL is like shoving an icepick in ones eyes...
Just stopping by to say that FL's "razor" or "slice" tool ... is INCREDIBLY useful.
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- KVRist
- 431 posts since 15 Dec, 2005
deathwish wrote:Edison is terrible compared to anything reaper or cubase can do. Orion can do everything FLStudio can do but much better.keel wrote:Do you know that there is edison? :roll: Build in audio editor? For me, that is doing all the audio editing, fast and easy.ttoz wrote:for serious AUDIO editing, FL is but a toy.
Can't edit audio for one.
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- KVRAF
- 4222 posts since 23 Feb, 2004 from Tucson Arizona USA
If your contract says you'll deliver a Nuendo project, then you might care. Toolchain choices like these are, after all, decisions that are made for you by your circumstances (you don't own the studio where you work, or you do own it but your contract with Time Warner has certain requirements, or you've invested real capital into a TDM rig or whatever).luckystrike wrote:Logic looks toy for me because it doesn't well support post production how Nuendo does. But who cares.
If you're not constrained that way, then you can do anything your budget allows, and if you're not compelled into some sort of agreement about production interoperability, then you get to choose what you want. There's no need to put down one consumer product in order to express affinity for a different one.
I wonder how many big releases go through a mastering step with Pyramix (everything that goes through Sterling Sound, which happens to be a lot, just for starters) and I wonder how many motion picture soundtracks get mastered and sync'd in Sequoia. Anybody here know what NBCUniversal typically requires for a final product? Anyone here ever have a voiceover contract with Touchstone or Vivendi who can describe the requirements there? I'll bet they went a little further than just "don't use XXX because it's a toy..."
I hate to think of people getting bogged down in gear and software choices because they get the impression that they have to play by the same rules as people who are doing work for others, where the stakes are high and there's severe competition. It would bother me a lot if there are well-intentioned amateurs with the budget of an individual, trying to take advice from someone who is working in a well-funded voiceover studio doing production work. A forum like this can provide an illusion that you dwell in the same world and have any of the same considerations.
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- KVRAF
- 2973 posts since 10 Sep, 2003 from Karlskoga, Stockholm, Sweden
Very well said JamesOtucson!!!
- KVRAF
- 3922 posts since 15 Dec, 2009
Even Image Line thinks so as the default project that comes with the demo is track based, not pattern. Truly bizarre.AstralExistence wrote:i currently use reaper which i like, but i also own fl studio and its going on version 11. reaper is great in the customization department. but fl studio gets on my nerves because you cant get any real organization to your songs. you have automation clips all over the place, your tracks are always out of order because of the pattern based workflow, it does seem that fl studio is going towards multitrack (thats what my friend thinks) am curious what others think?
And as for using FL as multitrack (faking it with 1 pattern etc), is a huge mess having to create patterns for each instance and keeping track of each and endless switching etc. And as you say with automation clips just floating freely and unconnected color coding I've given up and will regret buying FL until they finally drop the tbpf kiddy step sequencer and pattern thing. But probably the code is so jumbled from having swelled from a simple drum step sequencer that it's almost impossible to get rid of now.
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- KVRAF
- 7880 posts since 16 Apr, 2003 from -on the outside looking in
Thanks, James; that was encouraging.james0tucson wrote:If your contract says you'll deliver a Nuendo project, then you might care. Toolchain choices like these are, after all, decisions that are made for you by your circumstances (you don't own the studio where you work, or you do own it but your contract with Time Warner has certain requirements, or you've invested real capital into a TDM rig or whatever).luckystrike wrote:Logic looks toy for me because it doesn't well support post production how Nuendo does. But who cares.
If you're not constrained that way, then you can do anything your budget allows, and if you're not compelled into some sort of agreement about production interoperability, then you get to choose what you want. There's no need to put down one consumer product in order to express affinity for a different one.
I wonder how many big releases go through a mastering step with Pyramix (everything that goes through Sterling Sound, which happens to be a lot, just for starters) and I wonder how many motion picture soundtracks get mastered and sync'd in Sequoia. Anybody here know what NBCUniversal typically requires for a final product? Anyone here ever have a voiceover contract with Touchstone or Vivendi who can describe the requirements there? I'll bet they went a little further than just "don't use XXX because it's a toy..."
I hate to think of people getting bogged down in gear and software choices because they get the impression that they have to play by the same rules as people who are doing work for others, where the stakes are high and there's severe competition. It would bother me a lot if there are well-intentioned amateurs with the budget of an individual, trying to take advice from someone who is working in a well-funded voiceover studio doing production work. A forum like this can provide an illusion that you dwell in the same world and have any of the same considerations.
..what goes around comes around..
- KVRian
- 1052 posts since 2 Dec, 2010 from Belgium, EU.
FWIW all DAW software are toys, because lets face it, music making does not fall into the categories of food, shelter, clothing or health
In my experience, the more experienced people are the more respect they show for all music making tools. All can now be used to make music in any genre, and that is a win is it not?
Here's a random smattering of things made in the toy we call FL Studio...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7eO-W9sHlE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkEkHAe_Gug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBkFAfTt7Hs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuC2MUmQaG4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHs99iVpnXU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQYzF84xocw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fe4dk0Jtcw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9o2LHSO6IA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAt967_LQlI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K4T83Ca5qA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe1fRwgGu5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY1DMYET_-U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZMJaJLj7WI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XghH2MlBVdY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm6qFEfWO5Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rBDFs3FOTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u-gAIMKVZ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGy2F6fec3A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4vRepLGb0o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPO8BZlPtVs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEvQsT_Dqgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7iESu2XuCU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT5mfKmdwmI
Regards Scott
In my experience, the more experienced people are the more respect they show for all music making tools. All can now be used to make music in any genre, and that is a win is it not?
Here's a random smattering of things made in the toy we call FL Studio...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7eO-W9sHlE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkEkHAe_Gug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBkFAfTt7Hs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuC2MUmQaG4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHs99iVpnXU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQYzF84xocw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fe4dk0Jtcw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9o2LHSO6IA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAt967_LQlI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K4T83Ca5qA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe1fRwgGu5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY1DMYET_-U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZMJaJLj7WI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XghH2MlBVdY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm6qFEfWO5Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rBDFs3FOTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u-gAIMKVZ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGy2F6fec3A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4vRepLGb0o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPO8BZlPtVs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEvQsT_Dqgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7iESu2XuCU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT5mfKmdwmI
Regards Scott
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
@600,000 player loads that take forever to view a page: thanks
FL. A disappointment on so many levels there is no way to cover it here
BUT, it is not a "toy". I have no idea where that came from and though I find the joke entertaining, it's not accurate in anyway/shape/form.
FL. A disappointment on so many levels there is no way to cover it here
BUT, it is not a "toy". I have no idea where that came from and though I find the joke entertaining, it's not accurate in anyway/shape/form.
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- Skunk Mod
- 21249 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from Pony Pasture
Here's where you can switch that off and just see ordinary links: http://www.kvraudio.com/mykvr.php?m=prefshibidy wrote:@600,000 player loads that take forever to view a page: thanks
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
I don't want it off all the time I want to be able to load a page w/o a flood.Meffy wrote:Here's where you can switch that off and just see ordinary links: http://www.kvraudio.com/mykvr.php?m=prefshibidy wrote:@600,000 player loads that take forever to view a page: thanks
EDIT, there, that's better Next page
- KVRAF
- 12555 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
i recommend flashblock. works great.
only time it's a problem is on poorly written pages where the flash object isn't given a valid rectangle. (then you have to right click and enable flash page-wide to get the page to work right. for example, sound-cloud.)
only time it's a problem is on poorly written pages where the flash object isn't given a valid rectangle. (then you have to right click and enable flash page-wide to get the page to work right. for example, sound-cloud.)
Free plug-ins for Windows, MacOS and Linux. Xhip Synthesizer v8.0 and Xhip Effects Bundle v6.7.
The coder's credo: We believe our work is neither clever nor difficult; it is done because we thought it would be easy.
Work less; get more done.
The coder's credo: We believe our work is neither clever nor difficult; it is done because we thought it would be easy.
Work less; get more done.
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
(and the deep end got a little deeper)
Why we gotta go off on this is beyond me but if it's that important to clarify, than a clarification you shall get.
He did that to force his point that FL is not a toy. In fact, I agree (and plenty of others do too) but I'm not turning off flash because some guy went apeshit posting too many "examples" I like embedded viddys and 99% of the time......it's not an issue
Why we gotta go off on this is beyond me but if it's that important to clarify, than a clarification you shall get.
He did that to force his point that FL is not a toy. In fact, I agree (and plenty of others do too) but I'm not turning off flash because some guy went apeshit posting too many "examples" I like embedded viddys and 99% of the time......it's not an issue
- KVRAF
- 12555 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
you might still seriously want to check it out. just factor in how often you see a flash object that you didn't ask for floating around somewhere.
flashblock replaces the rectangle with a background that has a "play" button in the middle. you press the button to load the object.
the flash file is never downloaded, and the plugin is never loaded until you press the button. this is a major advantage in speed!
flashblock replaces the rectangle with a background that has a "play" button in the middle. you press the button to load the object.
the flash file is never downloaded, and the plugin is never loaded until you press the button. this is a major advantage in speed!
Free plug-ins for Windows, MacOS and Linux. Xhip Synthesizer v8.0 and Xhip Effects Bundle v6.7.
The coder's credo: We believe our work is neither clever nor difficult; it is done because we thought it would be easy.
Work less; get more done.
The coder's credo: We believe our work is neither clever nor difficult; it is done because we thought it would be easy.
Work less; get more done.