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Jay-Producer · Post by **Jay-Producer** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:13 am

daxliniere wrote:Hey guys,

I just did a few little tests with The Glue against FabFilter Pro-C.

For me, Pro-C beat The Glue fairly easily. Pro-C retained more punch and clarity for the same amount of compression.
Yes, I know it's more expensive, but not unaffordable.

It took a little while to match, but if anyone would like to try it out, feel free:

Do you want to stick up an audio file mate?

Jay-Producer · Post by **Jay-Producer** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:14 am

daxliniere wrote:
daxliniere wrote:I just did a few little tests with The Glue against FabFilter Pro-C.
Am I allowed to quote myself?

I just tested Pro-C against PSP's MixPressor2 (part of MixPack 2)... wow man, I really like it too!

Now, I know that MixPack2 is double the price of The Glue, but don't forget you also get a few other plugins. - MixSaturator2 sounds really nice on first inspection too!

I also just tried out Vienna Symphonic's Vienna Compressor.. compared to Pro-C it's very ordinary.

It would be great if we could also hear them mate?

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:15 am

daxliniere wrote:Hey guys,

I just did a few little tests with The Glue against FabFilter Pro-C.

For me, Pro-C beat The Glue fairly easily. Pro-C retained more punch and clarity for the same amount of compression.
Yes, I know it's more expensive, but not unaffordable.

I'm not surprised that you're hearing a difference, it's to be expected. If compression was all about matching ratios, knees, attack and release times than you'd only need one compressor for everything. Unfortunately, there's a lot more to it.

A lot of compression use becomes intuitive after a while. You get to know what tasks some compressors excel at, where others fall short. For instance, I really like Pro-C on mixes, but not on a drum bus. I think Mixpressor2 is a fantastic vocal compressor, but again, finds that it falls short on drums. By that same token, something like an 1176 sounds great on drums and vocals, but falls flat on bass. My point: it's not just about numbers.

Take an acoustic drum bus on a rock track and put The Glue over it with a 30ms attack, a .1 or .2 release, throw the hipass filter up to around 100-200hz with a 4:1 ratio and shoot for 3-5dbs of reduction. What you get is an amazingly punchy drum bus. If you were to try those same settings on Mixpressor2, you'd find that the snare gets choked out.

Now run similar experiments with other instruments, Pro-C is very polite, whereas The Glue is far more aggressive and apparent in it's sound. Try a 10:1 ratio on an electric bass track with both, Pro-C will do a good job there, but even at similar settings the end result will sound a lot different with The Glue (I personally like The Glue better). On the other hand, if I could only use one to compress a full mix, I'd probably use the more versatile Pro-C as I don't like The Glue on everything.

It's all about finding the right tools for the right applications. I don't think there's one compressor that works great on everything. They all have pro's and con's. Where The Glue works, it works great. Same for other compressors. I have to say, I'm very happy with The Glue for what it does on a drum bass and electric bass. I think the results are so good it more than merits the price. You mileage may vary of course...

Jay-Producer · Post by **Jay-Producer** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:16 am

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=245406

Have a look at that thread for Glue comparison tests.

The more we get on their the better.

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:18 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
daxliniere wrote:Hey guys,

I just did a few little tests with The Glue against FabFilter Pro-C.

For me, Pro-C beat The Glue fairly easily. Pro-C retained more punch and clarity for the same amount of compression.
Yes, I know it's more expensive, but not unaffordable.
I'm not surprised that you're hearing a difference, it's to be expected. If compression was all about matching ratios, knees, attack and release times than you'd only need one compressor for everything. Unfortunately, there's a lot more to it.

A lot of compression use becomes intuitive after a while. You get to know what tasks some compressors excel at, where others fall short. For instance, I really like Pro-C on mixes, but not on a drum bus. I think Mixpressor2 is a fantastic vocal compressor, but again, finds that it falls short on drums. By that same token, something like an 1176 sounds great on drums and vocals, but falls flat on bass. My point: it's not just about numbers.

Take an acoustic drum bus on a rock track and put The Glue over it with a 30ms attack, a .1 or .2 release, throw the hipass filter up to around 100-200hz with a 4:1 ratio and shoot for 3-5dbs of reduction. What you get is an amazingly punchy drum bus. If you were to try those same settings on Mixpressor2, you'd find that the snare gets choked out.

Now run similar experiments with other instruments, Pro-C is very polite, whereas The Glue is far more aggressive and apparent in it's sound. Try a 10:1 ratio on an electric bass track with both, Pro-C will do a good job there, but even at similar settings the end result will sound a lot different with The Glue (I personally like The Glue better). On the other hand, if I could only use one to compress a full mix, I'd probably use the more versatile Pro-C as I don't like The Glue on everything.

It's all about finding the right tools for the right applications. I don't think there's one compressor that works great on everything. They all have pro's and con's. Where The Glue works, it works great. Same for other compressors. I have to say, I'm very happy with The Glue for what it does on a drum bass and electric bass. I think the results are so good it more than merits the price. You mileage may vary of course...

Great comparison!

I'm a Pro-C fan, and have been curious about a level-headed comparison there.

By the way... I definitely agree with you about Pro-C on must drum tracks. Its not always my go to compressor for drums, but I continually fall in love with it when I need some light compression for guitar. Pro-C is a monster in that regard.

I haven't demoed the Glue yet, but mostly because I don't want to WANT to buy anything more. I'll look into it later, but definitely appreciate this post.

I really hate looking for winning comparisons in compression unless they are designed to replicate the exact same thing. I have many different go-to compressors for various reasons and all of which you already mentioned.

I wonder how much longer before this thread gets over 100,000 hits?

dj ray · Post by **dj ray** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:15 am

Is this the longest thread of all time?

Jay-Producer · Post by **Jay-Producer** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:33 am

dj ray wrote:Is this the longest thread of all time?

No but it could be.

poonna · Post by **poonna** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:39 am

dj ray wrote:Is this the longest thread of all time?

Far from it.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50312

Where is that "this plugin" thread again?

Jay-Producer · Post by **Jay-Producer** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:17 am

http://bloggingfingers.com/blog-marketi ... the-world/

http://www.urch.com/forums/lounge/2798- ... hread.html

These will eat away any longest thread proposed. Unless someone can find one that's got more than 5,000 replies.

dj ray · Post by **dj ray** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:21 am

Once again, I am amazed at the power of a Deadrat endorsement!

macattackamac · Post by **macattackamac** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:53 am

i found out that i cannot insert the glue on mono tracks in Logic. it just doesn't appear in the list of audio units, while on stereo tracks it's there... :S

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:04 am

I didn't think Glue had a mono mode, but I could be mistaken.

If you need a solution, put the Logic gain control in the insert FX slot before Glue, which will transparently convert the channel from mono to stereo if you choose the "Mono -> Stereo" version of the plug.

Peace,
Andy.

jpga · Post by **jpga** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:55 pm

I just waiting for the noise free one.

i love what it makes to my drumms

If the bump is nice play it twise.

Good work

Jp

michu · Post by **michu** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:20 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:
daxliniere wrote:Hey guys,

I just did a few little tests with The Glue against FabFilter Pro-C.

For me, Pro-C beat The Glue fairly easily. Pro-C retained more punch and clarity for the same amount of compression.
Yes, I know it's more expensive, but not unaffordable.
I'm not surprised that you're hearing a difference, it's to be expected. If compression was all about matching ratios, knees, attack and release times than you'd only need one compressor for everything. Unfortunately, there's a lot more to it.

Funky summed it up pretty nicely but if i assume right, that you came up with some setting on Pro-C, then dialed the same numbers on The Glue i'd like to propose two things.
First, try to match them either by ear or by running them parallel on the same material out of phase, trying to cancel them out. Do not bother with what settings it takes to make them close.
Second, could you try the procedure opposite of the one you used, ie try coming up with some setting you dig on The Glue, if i may propose, try some lower range settings and different attack times, then try to match Pro-C againt that.

Of course it is possible that The Glue ain't for you, which is perfectly fine, thanks God we all have different tastes

m-ac · Post by **m-ac** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:00 pm

Jay-Producer wrote:Unless someone can find one that's got more than 5,000 replies.

This ones a bit of a monster, approx 23,000 replies and counting http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.ph ... ache=22749

Cytomic 'The Glue' Compressor