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gorgorgathgorgorgor · Thu May 03, 2012 12:07 am

I'd be totally cool with minimogue, as I am not feeling inspired by augur anyway. P.S. I never did see a synth vote thread, was it ever linked from the OSC homepage? I'd have definitely voted for minimogue

IrionDaRonin · Post by **IrionDaRonin** » Thu May 03, 2012 12:24 am

I already finished the track with Augur...

Can i still use it?

adagiocm · Post by **adagiocm** » Thu May 03, 2012 5:30 am

I'm ok with it either way, although my first choice is still Minimogue. Augur seems to work fine with Sonar 7, although I haven't yet tried using more than 3 instances.

Aside from the stability issues, my first impressions of Augur are not too positive. It feels rough, unfinished. More specifically:

- The sound is kind of harsh. Is it the filter? Is the actual Prophet VS supposed to sound like that? Some eq seems to tame it (I tried a linear slope of -3dB/Oct, which makes it better to my ears), but still I'm not getting very pleasant results so far. I recently bought the Korg Wavestation KLC, which by contrast sounds great. It's a much better choice to explore vector synthesis (and wavetable synthesis).
- No joystick (i.e., XY pad) for live control of vectors. (How can this be a Prophet VS emulator without one? )
- Mod matrix doesn't include all possibilities of source-destination pairs.
- Mod source has only one level control, so if a source is routed to multiple destinations, the modulation amount cannot be controlled separately for each destination.
- No possibility of loading external/user defined waveforms.
- Difficult to edit vector points if they are overlapping. Say points 0,1,2,3 are all at the same point, and I want to move point 0 elsewhere. I have to first temporarily move points 1,2,3, so that I can access and move point 0.
- No knobs for setting an overall level per oscillator.
- No portamento/legato mode.

It's too bad, because this could have been a great synth with some more developer love and attention.

oxebe · Post by **oxebe** » Thu May 03, 2012 10:35 am

Yeager wrote:
Doc Jon wrote: ...or could we do an "either Augur/or Minimogue" OSC?
I'm up for the either/or option. If Augur doesn't work for you, use Minimogue.

+1 Augur/Minimogue OSC!

I'm already halfway to finish my Augur track...

It's great synth for me, cant's stop tweaking it

: loopable filter and amp envelopes, "magic" square in top left to mix 4 oscillators helps make evolving sounds, lots of filter types sounding very lively, smart pan feature for 2 or more voice sounds. It may look simple but with all these options, I'm a big fan of it.
Could I still participate, please?

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Thu May 03, 2012 3:46 pm

I know we've had a 2-synth challenge before, but that was before my time and imo the main point that shouldn't be altered is the fact that this is a One-Synth-Challenge so don't think we should have 2 synths now, even if they are not to be on the same track together..

The number of issues this time have been surprising, but there was a notice in the synth voting thread to test the synths and still Augur was the most voted for, and since it can't have been chosen because of its looks

it must still work for a good number of people. And if songs are already started and even finished I guess it's too late to change now after all..

For those with Win 7, isn't it possible to run a 32 bit version of your DAW in 'XP mode'? Maybe it will work without the bridge that way?

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Thu May 03, 2012 3:48 pm

z.prime wrote:
RuediRena wrote:I am using Reaper via Wine ... If I open the wave menu and klick on some other waveform ... it crashes Reaper instantly.
Ditto.

Forgot to say that for the record it works fine on REAPER here, I can switch waveforms in the GUI endlessly without problems. In fact there are no issues at all, so the problems some have must be related to a compatibility issue, maybe sound card drivers? Try increasing the buffer or even the free ASIO4ALL driver maybe? What soundcard are you using now?

z.prime · Post by **z.prime** » Thu May 03, 2012 3:56 pm

V'ger wrote:
z.prime wrote:
RuediRena wrote:I am using Reaper via Wine ... If I open the wave menu and klick on some other waveform ... it crashes Reaper instantly.
Ditto.
...for the record it works fine on REAPER here

I'm sure it's a WINE problem, changing waveforms works fine in Windows 7 (but other random crashes occur for me there).

gorgorgathgorgorgor · Post by **gorgorgathgorgorgor** » Thu May 03, 2012 5:21 pm

My only problem is that i feel uninspired by this synth and would not have voted for it... so its just sour grapes with me!

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Thu May 03, 2012 6:21 pm

Yeah shame you missed the vote, I would have liked to play with the Minimogue too, it's one of the all-time great free synths although it's been in a few votes already and never made it.

gorgorgathgorgorgor · Post by **gorgorgathgorgorgor** » Thu May 03, 2012 6:54 pm

Yeah im not sure how augur got through... did nobody actually try it?

z.prime · Post by **z.prime** » Thu May 03, 2012 7:03 pm

gorgorgathgorgorgor wrote:Yeah im not sure how augur got through... did nobody actually try it?

No, but like you I didn't notice where a synth vote was... not sure where they're normally announced - I guess the general thread? I would have probably voted atlantis, minimogue... not sure what else.

DzAH · Post by **DzAH** » Thu May 03, 2012 9:03 pm

May i suggest something that might be a bit silly..?

Maybe we could do a sec. round of voting..and only chose between Augur and MiniMogue?

The "One-Synth-Challenge 40: Vote for Synth" doesnt say that the synth with most points would be "the winner" right away?

..if so, the orginal post didnt reject a sec. round of voting..and it might thereby be justified

But more seriously..since there is only one point that difference those two synths, I think there fair to assume that if people had the knowledge they now have Minimogue would "win".

Idk, i think it MIGHT be fair to change it MiniMogue, or do a sec. round of voting. I might be bias though since i dont really like Augur that much, and want MiniMogue to the OSC40 synth.

kraftraum · Post by **kraftraum** » Thu May 03, 2012 9:24 pm

Doc Jon wrote: ...or could we do an "either Augur/or Minimogue" OSC?
There was only one point separating them, so maybe allow a choice of one or the other this month

Jon

+1 but don't wait so long, please!

Time till 31th may will run away, and my time for make a musictrack is small

Doc Jon · Post by **Doc Jon** » Thu May 03, 2012 9:37 pm

V'ger wrote:I know we've had a 2-synth challenge before, but that was before my time and imo the main point that shouldn't be altered is the fact that this is a One-Synth-Challenge so don't think we should have 2 synths now, even if they are not to be on the same track together..

The number of issues this time have been surprising, but there was a notice in the synth voting thread to test the synths and still Augur was the most voted for, and since it can't have been chosen because of its looks it must still work for a good number of people. And if songs are already started and even finished I guess it's too late to change now after all..

Fair comment V'ger

Don't want to create any confusion or prolong any period of indecision on this so I'm happy to go along with whatever the boss decides!!

Jon

Yeager · Post by **Yeager** » Thu May 03, 2012 9:41 pm

gorgorgathgorgorgor wrote:Yeah im not sure how augur got through... did nobody actually try it?

It worked well on my "old" XP mashine, a year or so ago, so I thought there would be no problem on windows 7...until I started with the OSC....
I could not have been more wrong

But still have no problems on XP

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