I didn't swear at you...bye

no, you go for the passive-aggressive moves to disrespect a person.

Just googled midi, the results wouldn't help the "noob". Most are midi products. The Wikipedia article probably wouldn't help either. If he doesn't know what midi means, he doesn't know what half the words in the Wikipedia article mean either. I'm in the "Help the guy make a sound" camp.

i asked some really obvious noob questions (how do i bounce a mix out of Logic?), got made fun of, and I figured out how to get a better response (which included doing my homework before asking a question). my wish to not be made fun of gave me a little push to try harder: I actually learned a lot about my DAW, recording, researching online and navigating the shark infested waters of forums like KVR. I still ask dumb questions from time to time (mostly because I have small kids and haven't slept in years), but people are generally nicer than they used to be, and I try to figure it out on my own first and then ask for clarification.

is this thread arrogant? maybe a little, but you gotta laugh when you can.

I only have a problem when it takes someone a few seconds to ask/post a common question on a forum, so they can go do something else, instead of take the time to research it on google etc, when they know already how powerful those search engines are. You know you only need a few key words to maybe figure it out. Take the time to search and then research, especially if it is something common in RTM.

I will gladly give my advice/opinion and knowledge about signal chains, hardware, sound, mixing etc. If I can save someone from getting screwed by a Guitar Center employee telling them they need to buy this and buy that and purchase the commission warranty, all the better.

But if it's someone asking "how does I renda ma beatz in da Pro Toolz wit da Wavez Mercury Bundle" I am going to get a little cynical on them.

We all learned somewhere, at sometime, whether it was RTM, magazines, video, from someone else, or research on the internet etc. The internet is just way too powerful now. There is no excuse. Apply yourself. I learn more through research and trial and error, than asking for the one simple answer and being lazy about it. I understand in some scenarios time is a factor, but if you get to the point where time is a critical factor, then you should not be needing to ask rudimentary questions.

This!

How great are we, bashing other people for lack of knowledge? Goodness is the only investment that never fails... - Henry David Thoreau.

Way back, I eventually managed to record audio in Orion by mixing multiple vst's to an audio out, and in to another computer and an Orion audio in channel, and recorded that. I just didn't trust that midi thing, and I thought music being made up of little boxes on a piano roll was just too lame. Ask questions... ...not me, no sir.

The main object of criticism here is the "fix this for me" attitude. Often people ask questions that it's safe to say they could find themselves if they could be bothered to make the effort they expect others to make for them. Finding this forum and managing to post here indicates a minimum of abilities that they should be able to use to find the info they're after.

On the other hand, if someone's annoyed by this attitude, they should probably just ignore the posts. Getting all worked up about it mainly just ups the level of aggression on all sides.

Perhaps there should be a "complete noob" sticky in Getting Started with a faq, a list of resources and perhaps some tips on googling.

I've always considered this term a bit of a cop-out on the part of aggressive types.
When an aggressive person confronts someone they depend on the aggressive response of others to continue the argument. But with people who are generally much calmer this is not possible. It's like being in a boxing ring with someone who won't hit back. Very infuriating to those who have pent up negative energy to expel.
So along comes the term 'passive aggressive' and aggressive types get to justify their bad behaviour against just about anybody they please.

True but it's not US Army Boot Camp or an Irish Christian Brothers school either.
Life can be fun and light-hearted ya know? It's not just some cold, analytical exercise in the development of intellect.

Maybe. But that's a habit you have. It's a habit I have. Now, if someone buys new gear, which comes with no manual on paper, doesn't know there's a manual in PDF on the cd (or there isn't one), maybe they head to a music forum. Maybe they used Google to find the forum but didn't consider using it to answer their questions directly. Why? Their off line habits of asking questions of people in the real world may translate to trying to do the same on the web, rather than thinking "ask the question of google."

There are people new to this stuff. Like, all of it. Is it laziness to seek a forum and ask a question??

Sometimes the answer does not come that easily either. There are any number of reasons that we go to a forum to find something out. Google does not always come up with easily understood answers either.

Such is life....

I have to defend the use of the term in general, but maybe not in this case (haven't made an opinion on that yet). I've dealt with people that only act in passive-aggressive mode. Some people are trained to act that way (HR managers). It's infuriating and, I'd venture the opinion that it's childish too, because it attempts to avoid accountability for intent by pretending the intent was something other than what it was.

It's not a cop-out phrase. It describes something real. And yes, it's extra annoying to passionate people that prefer head-on interaction to be treated to passive-aggressive behavior. The passive aggressive person isn't necessarily more calm and rational; simulating it is what helps them win the game, but a simulation is just that. My ex-boss turns bright red when he's pretending not to be filled with rage, smiles, makes a weak joke, shrugs and stalks away to let the steam out. Not very successful. But HR... Holy crap, those people can be outright sociopaths. And they're largely successful at the game.

In the context of this thread, I think maybe there is some irritation being felt (& displayed) by those of us who resent being disrespected for our lack of specialist knowledge. More likely, we're reacting to the potential of someone else being disrespected for ignorance and we're responding as if the injury was our own. I feel some of that. It fuels my wish to see the inexperienced people afforded some respect beyond "RTFM" when we all have seen manuals can suck and be absentee.

it takes two seconds to look up theoretical physics but you will still be mind****ed