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Are 64 bit native plugins of importance to you

VST, AU, etc. plug-in Virtual Instruments discussion

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How important are 64 bit native plugins for you personally?

I only use and buy 64 bit native plugins
107
43%
I only use and buy 32 bit plugins
33
13%
I prefer 64 bit but will use a bridge if necessary
63
26%
I really don't care i will use either
38
15%
I prefer smegma
6
2%
 
Total votes : 247
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billcarroll
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1269 posts since 9 Dec, 2011, from falling

Postby billcarroll; Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:56 pm

I'm just curious. How many people here asking for 64-bit plugins actually make their daily living making music and using these plugins?

Please, tell your story re: how this is keeping you from earning your living.
jancivil
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9503 posts since 20 Oct, 2007

Postby jancivil; Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:56 pm

I still use a couple of 32-bit things, but I wouldn't tend to buy anything that isn't x64.
TheoM
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19204 posts since 4 Sep, 2001, from Melbourne Australia

Postby TheoM; Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:08 pm

billcarroll wrote:I'm just curious. How many people here asking for 64-bit plugins actually make their daily living making music and using these plugins?

Please, tell your story re: how this is keeping you from earning your living.


Does it matter if we make money from it or not? i am sure that most of us choose 64 bit plugins simply for convenience and not to put ourSELVES out.. simply if we are running a 64 bit host as many are, and would rather straight up plug in compatibility.

Let's not do the "good music was made on 4 track cassette tapes" argument again.
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billcarroll
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1269 posts since 9 Dec, 2011, from falling

Postby billcarroll; Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:10 pm

TheoM wrote:
billcarroll wrote:I'm just curious. How many people here asking for 64-bit plugins actually make their daily living making music and using these plugins?

Please, tell your story re: how this is keeping you from earning your living.


Does it matter if we make money from it or not? i am sure that most of us choose 64 bit plugins simply for convenience and not to put ourSELVES out.. simply if we are running a 64 bit host as many are, and would rather straight up plug in compatibility.

Let's not do the "good music was made on 4 track cassette tapes" argument again.


Not sure how you are reading my post, however, don't you think some stories like this might be a strong argument?

I prefer 64-bit plugins and am looking forward to moving to working in a 64-bit DAW, but I really don't bump up against the limitations of 32-bit at the moment. I'm also not doing a lot of Orchestral Score work :)
Shangsean
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448 posts since 8 May, 2012, from Shanghai

Postby Shangsean; Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:36 pm

In some cases, just one instrument patch in Kontakt can be over 1GB, such as in Venus Symphonic Choir. 64bit is a must if you're working with that type of stuff.
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Aiynzahev
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2917 posts since 29 Jun, 2011, from USA

Postby Aiynzahev; Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:44 pm

Only use 64. No 64 = no moneys from me.
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Postby Neon Breath; Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:05 pm

I suggest you to read this very interesting article, written & explained by an actual plugin developer, Melda Production. It might clear some points for some: http://www.meldaproduction.com/audiotut ... 32vs64.php

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Aiynzahev
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2917 posts since 29 Jun, 2011, from USA

Postby Aiynzahev; Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:52 pm

Neon Breath wrote:I suggest you to read this very interesting article, written & explained by an actual plugin developer, Melda Production. It might clear some points for some: http://www.meldaproduction.com/audiotut ... 32vs64.php

:)


Well for me it just stems back to Presonus Studio One. I found that for version 1 the 64-bit ran so much smoother and quicker than the 32-bit version.
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re8
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303 posts since 2 Nov, 2007, from Earth, USA, CO, Denver

Postby re8; Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:55 pm

BERFAB wrote:x64 is not a fad. It is now the current standard of our technology. You CANNOT, in 2013, release plugs that are NOT x64 and call yourself a serious developer.
Why I more or less gave up on SynthMaker/FlowStone.

Might be missing OSX? I guess we should have a survey every 6 months to see the trends...
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 79#5044079
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EnGee
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869 posts since 7 Oct, 2005, from Auckland

Postby EnGee; Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:49 pm

This is one reason why I don't care yet for the 64bit:
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... ?p=1128709

I don't know if the above problem exists in OSX but in Windows with Cubase 64bit it is awful :-( (The standalone also suffers from this as I suppose it is 64bit!)

So for now I'm still using the 32bit version mainly but I would move to 64bit when it can run the main plugins I use without problems.
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solidtrax
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478 posts since 6 Nov, 2011, from The Netherlands

Postby solidtrax; Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:25 am

Soundtoys Radiator is the only 32bit plugin we have and it's the only plugin that causes problems. Loading it for the first time takes 15 seconds, having a few instances causes ASIO spikes and as a result, audio playback is not solid anymore. More often than not, we have to disable these again to have a perfectly fine stable session again.

I hope the 64bit version of Radiator will solve this problem!
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TheoM
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19204 posts since 4 Sep, 2001, from Melbourne Australia

Postby TheoM; Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:23 am

EnGee wrote:This is one reason why I don't care yet for the 64bit:
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... ?p=1128709

I don't know if the above problem exists in OSX but in Windows with Cubase 64bit it is awful :-( (The standalone also suffers from this as I suppose it is 64bit!)

So for now I'm still using the 32bit version mainly but I would move to 64bit when it can run the main plugins I use without problems.


please don't think because of this one FM8 problem that it's a 64 bit problem in general. I do understand if FM8 is important to you but 64 bit in general is not more or less reliable than 32, it just so happens that NI's 64 bit version of FM8 is broken, sadly.

DId you try bridging the 32 bit FM8 using Jbridge, so you can enjoy 64 bit and only have that one bridged plug in?
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jancivil
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9503 posts since 20 Oct, 2007

Postby jancivil; Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:29 am

billcarroll wrote:
TheoM wrote:
billcarroll wrote:I'm just curious. How many people here asking for 64-bit plugins actually make their daily living making music and using these plugins?

Please, tell your story re: how this is keeping you from earning your living.


Does it matter if we make money from it or not? i am sure that most of us choose 64 bit plugins simply for convenience and not to put ourSELVES out.. simply if we are running a 64 bit host as many are, and would rather straight up plug in compatibility.

Let's not do the "good music was made on 4 track cassette tapes" argument again.


Not sure how you are reading my post, however, don't you think some stories like this might be a strong argument?

I prefer 64-bit plugins and am looking forward to moving to working in a 64-bit DAW, but I really don't bump up against the limitations of 32-bit at the moment. I'm also not doing a lot of Orchestral Score work :)
Well as far as reading your intention, you have the answer in your last sentence, and you know it. People that are say, busy as an orchestrator, let alone as a composer doing their own orch., do not have time for dicking around with the running out of memory at all. So it reads as bait for argumentation to me. "however, don't you think some stories like this might be a strong argument" for what? Having a harder time because you think it's more charming? You're looking to argue! :lol:

I don't make a living at it as I am underemployed. But one of my strengths is fast turnaround and my templates are largely 64-bit and additionally in VE Pro because of the efficiency. I have some experience with the old ways, I assure you.
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sin night
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520 posts since 1 Aug, 2006, from Italy

Postby sin night; Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:44 am

billcarroll wrote:I'm just curious. How many people here asking for 64-bit plugins actually make their daily living making music and using these plugins?

Please, tell your story re: how this is keeping you from earning your living.


I'm not making money from music; I think that using 32-bit plugins (and, in general, outdated technology) don't stop you from making a living but they will eventually reflect in higher migration costs when you'll be forced to move to new technologic solutions (migrations are unavoidables, anybody faces them sooner or later).
Even an old piece of technology does the job if there are no alternative tools, but as general rule it is not a very smart move to buy something that is becoming outdated when there are alternatives... if what you earn from thanks to the outdated tool justifies the migration cost you'll face in future, then I'm cool with that; otherwise I think it's more savy to spend money on the latest current industry standard.
I don't mean to rush for each new things that comes out everyday, but to have a long time view and plan of the direction things are going to and then to follow that wave, trying to avoid too much strong ties so you can easily adapt your plan if you need to.


Anyway this is just my point of view... maybe I'm influenced by my IT studies (that I'm very close to end... hopefully!) and the fact that I really hate migrations and complications in general (I'm a very lazy man!).
tenshin111
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383 posts since 12 Jan, 2008, from Sweden

Postby tenshin111; Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:52 am

bluedad wrote:
debra1rlo wrote:i think we all know how i voted

what is smegma, anyway?


It's like...white cheese :P
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