Do expensive cables make a difference?

[hibidy]

anyone with any idea could easily figure out things here

Anyways, if you have any doubts where I stand on this subject..........let's review:

Oh wait........I've already said anything important. If you REALLY wish to twist things into some other dimension.......please do so w/o naming me specifically

[aciddose]

i think you have doubts on where you stand based upon the posts you create.

can't you add anything useful?

i'm sure there are a ton of people who've tried different amps, cables and guitars and never bothered to ask "why does this amp sound better? how much input impedance does it have and how does that load the LRC circuit?"



"yeah... but why do they use forward windings to make brawndo cables?"

"... because brawndo cables' got forward windings."

[hibidy]

You don't even make any sense.

Maybe you should go through the posts and see what you are saying. In fact, most of your comments seems to be supporting what I'm saying. But for some odd reason you've singled me out as though I'm saying all the crazy things you are implying.

I do wish you'd stop though. I'm very angry about this thread. There is no reason for people not to enjoy whatever cables they want. There are about ... people who like making this subject into a war but your posts are so far from reality, I can only take it personally.

[aciddose]

what have i said that is untrue?

the only critique i had of you was the single point that you need to be more specific and phrase things a little better.

yeah, i know. exactly like the brawndo clip, trying to explain the details to people who cover their ears and yell "la la la" is frustrating. if you'd seen the rest of the movie, you'd know that the next scene is "so joe simply told them that he could speak to plants, and that the plants had told him they wanted water. joe managed to make believers of them all."

in a way monster cable is just of like joe. yes, good quality cables are great. yes, you can improve the response of your pickups or whatever by having better insulation, lower capacitance, better contacts and so on.

when you try to explain that to people their eyes just glaze over. so monster cable started to claim they were doing voodoo and casting spells on their cables and that if you didn't buy those cables you'd probably suffer horribly and everyone would laugh at you for being so dumb.

problem is somebody got a hold of that idea and took it to the extreme to produce the 10,000 dollar cables we see now, and then once in a while you'll have somebody who asks an honest question wanting an honest answer; with the whole issue so convoluted however it becomes impossible to give a simple yes or no.

that's why i think people were attacking you though. you left out the details in a few posts and people snapped at you. i actually don't mind what you said because although you could have meant something else, you didn't specifically say something completely ridiculous. (i don't know, i didn't see the post where you did.)

people i'm really mad at are the people who start going nuts and flailing their arms around yelling how anyone who buys an expensive cable is clearly an idiot without knowing the first thing about what they're talking about.

you have to admit though - based upon what you said taken out of context, just in it's own little self - "professionals buy expensive cables for a reason" has all these potential implications and in general you don't need any more than the $5 cable. i'm sure we agree on the technicals assuming we both understand the issues. of course.

i'm just trying to point out why these things spin out of control.

[hibidy]

what have i said that is untrue?

everything?

I mean you jump to irrational conclusions using my name. If you bothered to actually read anything, you'd realize I'm not on the side of the "double blind test" side you so boldly disliked. Where did you ever get the idea I was part of that?

The only two I know of on THAT side were rabbit and yarihol, and yarihol made mention of an article which I was against (not for the content, but for the overly bold use of shock-treatment and insulting the reader before being read......something white either doesn't understand or as I suspect, is just a personal attack )

[hibidy]

And.........over some sodding cables.....

[aciddose]

what have i said that is untrue?

everything?

I mean you jump to irrational conclusions using my name. If you bothered to actually read anything, you'd realize I'm not on the side of the "double blind test" side you so boldly disliked. Where did you ever get the idea I was part of that?

eh? i never mentioned you in that post at all, did i?

i was referring to yarihol, i think. i was not calling him a moron, i only tried to express that the way people are using "double-blind test!" all the time makes it seem more and more a huge nuisance. it's to the point where it's sort of like a red flag, as soon as someone says "double-blind" you know the odds of them being full of shit are high.

i'd prefer not to make those kinds of assumptions, and sure, yarihol (if him?) has his valid points i'm sure. i just wish he'd make those rather than refer to a pointless study that has nothing to do with the topic.

...and yarihol made mention of an article which I was against (not for the content, but for the overly bold use of shock-treatment and insulting the reader before being read......something white either doesn't understand or as I suspect, is just a personal attack )

ah yeah, that's exactly what i mean regarding "double-blind". sets off your bullshit alarm.

double-blind study proves you can't tell it isn't real butter.

double-blind testing conducted by TOP SCIENTIST has shown that you'll engorge and amplify your girth by up to 500%. it works every time 60% of the time.

[Rangtangtang]

this thread has gone silly

Just for the record good quality leads and plugs are essential but not necesarily be expensive.

[hibidy]

this thread has gone silly

Just for the record good quality leads and plugs are essential but not necesarily be expensive.

Yeah, but don't include me in that

btw your comment is of course......legit

[lloyd17]

There can be a sonic difference between crap and good cable but I feel the real divider is the quality of the build and connectors. Crummy solder joints and improperly sized plugs can make an otherwise decent cable useless. Companies like Monster do make a ridiculously priced though quality lead but it is nothing you can't duplicate with some good bulk cable and some Switchcraft ends.

Has anyone mentioned just making your own cables? Canare, Mogami and Gepco in mic or instrument configs can be had for less than a buck a foot. I really dig the Gepco stuff for long guitar leads as it lays well. Budget around five or six bucks for ends and you have a purpose built, perfect length lead that is durable because you built it well.

Good cables are essential, expensive cables are not.

[whyterabbyt]

what have i said that is untrue?

everything?

I mean you jump to irrational conclusions using my name. If you bothered to actually read anything, you'd realize I'm not on the side of the "double blind test" side you so boldly disliked. Where did you ever get the idea I was part of that?

The only two I know of on THAT side were rabbit and yarihol

If you're referring to me, please dont pretend you know my opinion on the matter, or that Ive commented on it. The only thing Ive commented on in this thread is your establishment of a straw man in order to polarise one debate into a markedly different argument, and start calling people 'nazis' on the basis of that false polarisation.

The only 'war' in this thread was started by you, when you decided to leverage a moral highground by misrepresenting the thread's core topic, and other people's stance on that topic, under the pretence that your own position was the 'sensible' middle ground.

If you're going to accuse someone of 'jumping to irrational conclusions using my name', or 'getting the idea I was part of that?' then you might want to have avoided the hypocrisy of having done those very same things yourself all the way through the thread so far.

, and yarihol made mention of an article which I was against (not for the content, but for the overly bold use of shock-treatment and insulting the reader before being read......something white either doesn't understand or as I suspect, is just a personal attack )

Would you like to make a direct accusation, with explicit references to 'personal attack' Im supposed to have made on you while you were calling people 'nazis' or would you like to retract that pending a moderator's opinion?

[trimph1]

megh...

I still think one can get by with reasonably priced cable.

Price =/= quality.

[whyterabbyt]

megh...

I still think one can get by with reasonably priced cable.

Price =/= quality.

I think you're missing an important false dichotomy, though. If someone says you dont need expensive cables, then it means you do need cheap ones.

[trimph1]

megh...

I still think one can get by with reasonably priced cable.

Price =/= quality.

I think you're missing an important false dichotomy, though. If someone says you dont need expensive cables, then it means you do need cheap ones.

Those dang false dichotomies..they're everywhere I tells ya!!


There is one source I found for my cable. We have something of a surplus store in London ON that has a goodly amount of cable for all kinds of stuff...if only they had banana plugs

[thecontrolcentre]

There's a great little electricals shop where I grew up. Sells quality shielded cable and Neutrik connectors at low prices. I still call in there for "supplies" when i visit.