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Saukar30 · Post by **Saukar30** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:06 am

Oh yeah.. MUX is way better than Patcher. Patcher was the first one I could think of though LOL.

But yes, the basic ideology is the same. It's not a synth you need, it's more of manipulating the synths you have. Again, it's just my 2 cents, but seeing how you have some of the best physical model synths now, using MUX to bring it all together would be the way I would go for your project.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:17 am

Saukar30 wrote:Oh yeah.. MUX is way better than Patcher. Patcher was the first one I could think of though LOL.

But yes, the basic ideology is the same. It's not a synth you need, it's more of manipulating the synths you have. Again, it's just my 2 cents, but seeing how you have some of the best physical model synths now, using MUX to bring it all together would be the way I would go for your project.

alvfaria · Post by **alvfaria** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:53 am

This one is good for distorted sounds

http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/microrock.html

and... This one come with Computer Music

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:00 pm

alvfaria wrote:This one is good for distorted sounds

http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/microrock.html

and... This one come with Computer Music

http://www.synapse-audio.com/layout/scr ... lucked.jpg

Yes about Microrock. And I own several products from Luigi.

Alas, I have not this one, and in the OP I wrote:

BlackWinny wrote:And nuSofting products are here ruled out, because Luigi (whose I really like the products!) has huge personal problems currently (among them the health and I send him my warm thoughts) which prevent him to keep his business opened for the moment, perhaps for several months). But if you want to point the quality of his physically modelled emulations, you're welcome.

And I know several persons which have bought one of his products recently (in the three last months) and who are still in wait of their product licence. So for the moment, as long as the situation has not got back to regular for long time enough, I can't include his products in my list of candidates. In case of purchase I would not be sure to have the license in time, and even if yes, in case of bug or anything happening I would not be sure to see the problem fixed in time.

But it's good to remind Microrock. Indeed, yes! Luigi is one of my favorite developers, and all alone he makes little jewels.

But also beware... Microrock is only monophonic.

And concerning CM, unfortunately I'm not a reader of CM, so I would be in an illegal situation by using a CM edition of a synth. And the price of the regular edition well exceeds my prices.

But once again, it's good to mention it. Nice!

bob bobwood · Post by **bob bobwood** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:06 pm

plucksynth0913 is still available;
http://wayback.archive.org/web/20120109 ... _nojs.html

and some related reading; THE PLUCKSYNTH TOUCH STRING paper
http://legacy.spa.aalto.fi/dafx08/papers/dafx08_39.pdf

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:12 pm

BlackWinny wrote:I know several persons which have bought one of his products recently (in the three last months) and who are still in wait of their product licence. So for the moment, as long as the situation has not got back to regular for long time enough, I can't include his products in my list of candidates. In case of purchase I would not be sure to have the license in time, and even if yes, in case of bug or anything happening I would not be sure to see the problem fixed in time.

Luigi had massive health problems in the past, maybe he's ill again?

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:45 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote:
BlackWinny wrote:I know several persons which have bought one of his products recently (in the three last months) and who are still in wait of their product licence. So for the moment, as long as the situation has not got back to regular for long time enough, I can't include his products in my list of candidates. In case of purchase I would not be sure to have the license in time, and even if yes, in case of bug or anything happening I would not be sure to see the problem fixed in time.
Luigi had massive health problems in the past, maybe he's ill again?

It seems yes. He told us about his new problems with the health (at a few of us in his forum, without entering the details of course) a few months ago. And since last December (7 full months now), his website is permanently unstable with many moments of total closing time, without counting the long, long, long weeks (up to 5 or 6 weeks the last time) where he can't answer the emails and can't send their licenses to the new purchasers.

We have stopped the beta-testing of the new version of Modelonia, in wait of his return with a better health.

KTlin · Post by **KTlin** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:21 pm

Saukar30 wrote:Oh yeah.. MUX is way better than Patcher. Patcher was the first one I could think of though LOL.

Image Line also makes Minihost Modular, which is very similar to Patcher and MUX, but it's free.
http://www.image-line.com/support/FLHel ... odular.htm

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:11 pm

I would like a guitar plugin that could be run into amp sim- and sound good when soloing. Trying to wrap my head around various methods that could produce any results. With a real guitar I'm always grabbing the strings, I'm basically trying to enter never before seen territory here.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:18 pm

It's been now one full week (within a few hours) that I'm trying many emulations of physically modelled electric guitars for a project which will run during at least four years (we are five french amateur composers who will work to create background musics for a series of 16 scientific documentaries for the public, together for some tunes and each alone for some other tunes).

And after these exactly seven days of tests I have now eliminated almost all the emulations that I had mentioned in the OP... except four. And within these four remaining there are curiously two freewares... and in addition these two freewares are even not focused at the origin for electric guitars but for acoustic guitars! And despite that... they fit very well for some very cool electric guitar parts within other instruments (organs and synths) and for these parts they compete very well with other plugins which are specialized in electric guitars and paywares!

Remaining physically modelled paywares:

AAS Strum Electric GS-1
Xhun Audio IronAxe

Remaining physically modelled freewares:

CutterMusic Revitar 2
Keolab Spicy Guitar

And after one week of tests, tests and still tests, it is incredible but for acoustic guitar emulation these two freewares are almost as good (in their sounds) as my Strum Acoustic Session!!! And they are very good not only to emulate acoustic guitars... but also to emulate an electric guitar! (but with only cool sound of course (not for hard rock nor metal) and thanks to simply the addition of several effects to add after the "acoustic guitar"). Of course in "live" play they could not fit, but in a piano-roll composition (and in "cosmic rock" style) they can be almost as efficient!

The only difference between these two acoustic guitar freewares and Strum Acoustic Session (which costs €75/$99) is that they have not as many articulations as this payware in "live play"! But for a composition to be played by the piano-roll (RapidComposer full edition) and for their incredible sounds... it's hard and even quasi-impossible to do the difference! And I recall that I had to limit to the maximum price of €150/$200) because of other purchases in the very next days.

AAS is a very good specialist of the physical modelling synthesis, no one will deny it (and I have several of their products) but I'm really amazed by the huge quality of these two freewares.

For this project I'm probably going to maintain my choice on AAS Strum Electric GS-1 or on IronAxe. But it's incredible how good these two freewares are... to be both able to literally compete at this top level!

For the effects behind the guitar emulation I have 4 sets that I love so much that I'm totally unable to decide between them:

The very good and very comprehensive freeware LFX-1310 from Luxonix (it can be downloaded here)
All the excellent freeware effects made by MeldaProduction (they can be downloaded in a one-pack here)
All the excellent freeware effects made by Blue Cat Audio (they can be downloaded here)

fluffy_little_something · Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:33 pm

Since they explicitly ruled out sample-based guitars and basses, they are probably aware that synth alternatives will not sound exactly like the original and care more about the sound's effect on the music rather than authenticity. So you might even try programming those instruments on a good regular synth (Zebra maybe)

Ah_Dziz · Post by **Ah_Dziz** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:04 am

I haven't heard one that was remotely convincing. I'm sure one will come along that will be impressive one day. I find most of the pm string synths more useful for making sounds which evoke the impression of something being plucked while being very strange. That is sometimes easier than taking a real guitar and processing it to death to get the effect I'm after. Good luck in your search.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:38 pm

Yes. The question of the accuracy of the emulation of the sounds isn't at all the most important in that project.

And yet... I remain convinced that some emulations like IronAxe or Strum Electric GS-1 can be totally impossible to detect in a CD Audio when played by a good player and on a composition made by a good composer and on sounds made by a good designer.

But it is not at all the purpose of the project. The purpose of the project is to make a really good music emulating or suggesting these instruments within the compositions. And it is obvious that all the effects that are usual in the mountains of stompboxes can change totally the sounds of the guitars (I know it for a good reason... I am myself an (amateur but heh, not a player around!) electric guitar player since 1973 (among many other instruments) !!! 41 years of practice, I think I have no need anymore to discuss that subject now!)

Someone who would persist to say the opposite would be someone who has never heard Tangerine Dream, Ashra Tempel, Klaus Schulze, Kitaro, etc... or who piss on them (which is even worse).

Anyway, the purpose is not there! The purpose is to suggest sounds to the listener in dreamy music to accompany beautiful documentary videos.

And with an excellent challenge to enjoy: no sample at all.

And it doesn't prevent me to use samples for other personal projects (I use like everybody some samplebased instruments like Sampletank, Kontakt Player, Shortcircuit, TX16Wx, thank you, even if it is not my cup of tea, the samples having for me static sounds (and it's not the round-robin which will really improve the things) and in addition being a work of total lazybones for those who really want to design sounds). Thirty-five candidates at the start... and only five to really say yes to a project really enthralling where half of the part is composition and the other half is not simply to choose samples but to create sounds!

I have never enjoyed the samples. Even in my collection of sampletank expansions and even in Kontakt. They produce sounds and atmospheres boring, and static as hell compared to the incredible life of sounds outed from real oscillators (especially analog VCO or even DCO having a drift feature around their value), from physical modelling... or at least from PCM wavetables where the sounds can be really living with the sweeps in the table far better than round-robin for the variability of the timbres and the reactions to velocities!

That's why I have been so much enthralled by this challenge. Because it pushes the composers to their deepest resources to find sounds twice really beautiful and not simply pasted from previously recorded instruments. A really good challenge that any real sounddesigner couldn't deny!

CoolColJ · Post by **CoolColJ** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:47 am

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http://fsynthz.com/F_gen.htm

overhishead · Post by **overhishead** » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:23 pm

this thread is so old, but so good!

Revitar!

PHYSICALLY MODELLED emulations of electric guitars and acoustic/electric basses