Is Hive capable of more sounds than Sylenth?

[Urs]

FM and sync will very likely happen in an update later on, Urs mentioned.


I've absolutely no problems with Hive's envelopes. They're snappy to hell and back.

i don't know why but i have trouble to use the envelop for modulation, the decay stage don't give me the effect desired, for example when modulating the pitch with fast decay no sustain. i have to experiment more .

In "Normal" mode, Hive any Sylenth have pretty much identical envelopes. From about two thirds up, Sylenth's become overly long. Send me a Sylenth preset that Hive can't do because of its envelopes and I shut up

[Robmobius]

HIVE can do more because of it's architecture.

Does it sound better then sylenth? Depends on the sounds you are after. I really like both of them. On paper HIVE is a lot better, but in reality I still use both.

If you had to just pick one, I'd say HIVE is the better bet. Because it offers more synth capabilities. However, I've still not met a Sylenth killer just yet.

But you don't seem to be all that keen on HIVE's sound. Have you considered Serum?

[db3]

I always think that Hive has some sort of metallic touch which Sylenth doesn't have. And that it's filters tend to be a bit on the harsh side, while Sylenth's sound more clean, and creamy.

Indeed. I sold Hive because I felt it was sterile/hard...I picked up the new 64bit mac Sylenth with the proceeds. I had forgotten how amazing it sounds.

[Urs]

FM and sync will very likely happen in an update later on, Urs mentioned.

That would be interesting. Now that Sylenth finally became Mac x64 compatible, Hive needs something extra to compete with it.

Nah, come on, we have enough "extra" to compete:

- one page GUI as opposed to two pages
- control linking preserves relative parameter values
- flexible filter routing
- interchangeable effects with more modes
- many, many more destinations for the mod matrix
- less effort to create sound design due to Osc/SubOsc paradigm (no real feature penalty)
- built-in PWM
- AAX support, Linux beta
- Velocity scaled envelopes
- flexible envelope and LFO trigger modes
- independent arpeggiator and sequencer
- recordable sequencer with extra editing modes
- extra modulation lane for sequencer
- modulation mode for sequencer including Trance Gate effect
- oversampled filters
- 3 different engines with distinct character

Did I forget something? Nevermind, I think Hive can compete. Easily.

[4damind]

FM and sync will very likely happen in an update later on, Urs mentioned.

That would be interesting. Now that Sylenth finally became Mac x64 compatible, Hive needs something extra to compete with it.

IMO this wouldn't change something. Sylenth is a synth with an excellent reputation, used by so many users. There could be new synth with the same sound and double as much features and people would prefer Sylenth
Many people compare Hive only with Sylenth and at the end they prefer Sylenth..

[Robmobius]

IMO this wouldn't change something. Sylenth is a synth with an excellent reputation,

U-he do have a little bit of a reputation too...

[4damind]

IMO this wouldn't change something. Sylenth is a synth with an excellent reputation,

U-he do have a little bit of a reputation too...

I mean not the developer, there are a lot developers with an excellent reputation.
Ask people for _the_ plugin synth for EDM/Trance.. and very often you will get the same answer "Sylenth"!
This synth earned such a big reputation over the years, it's very hard to compete with some other synth. We have Spire, Dune, Hive, Serum... neither of them replaced Sylenth because people have _this_ Sylenth sound in mind or this GUI (whatever this means).

[Urs]

There could be new synth with the same sound and double as much features and people would prefer Sylenth

Exactly what I'm thinking.

It would have been easy to recreate the sound of Sylenth 100%. But even if, some people would still prefer latter - while those who don't would be bitterly disappointed about our lack of innovation.

[chk071]

Sylenth surely has a bit of that over-the-top hype surrounding it, which is basically based on nothing more but endorsement from top EDM artists, and word of mouth advertising, but hypes like that don't appear out of nowhere. It surely has been one of the best sounding synths over the last almost decade. I feel like there's synths superseding it now, but it surely will take its place for many looking for that sound (and if that is just because you want to sound like anyone else out there, which probably also comes into play ). What i just don't get though is the hype about the GUI. It's functional, nothing more nothing less.

[stillshaded]

I do like the sound of sylenth, but man do I hate the interface. And the modulation routing is super limiting iirc. But it does have "that sound" if you are after it.

I haven't even used hive yet, but I would probably go with it just because the interface looks so much better. By looking better I mean easier to work with.

[wagtunes]

I'm putting on my armor plated suit for this.

I honestly don't get the Sylenth hype. I'm fortunate enough to have been stuck in a hardware studio (no PC) until 2013. So as far as I was concerned, the first time I ever heard or Sylenth was the first time I ever heard of just about any other synth that was available in July of 2013.

So when I heard the sound of Zebra 2 and saw what it was architecturally capable of and then heard the sound of Sylenth and did the same and saw that, in US dollars, there was only about a $40 difference in price, I was like WTF?

How people will pay $158 for a synth that does a fraction of what a ton of other synths in its price range and slightly higher can do, for what is now 8 year old technology, for a sound that, personally, I don't think is all that off the charts amazing, baffles me to no end.

Yeah, I get it. People love Sylenth. Yay for Sylenth. But if I was told I had to buy every VST in existence, Sylenth would be close to the bottom of the list as far as value, bang for the buck, or whatever you want to call it goes. Hive blows it away as far as features and I didn't even buy it. Why? Because Zebra 2 is a much more versatile synth and I can get just about any sound out of it that I want including all the EDM "buzz, bing wub wub whatever" the the so called top "EDM" synths can generate.

So now you can all get out your pitch forks, slings, arrows, shotguns or whatever you want to fire at me but Sylenth is one of the most overhyped and overrated synths that I've found since I've been into PC recording.

[4damind]

The interesting thing is.. so many people are always on search for this "Hypersaw" sound. IMO also Sylenth was inspired not only by the Virus but also to have a sound which goes a bit in this direction.
Diva has a JP8080 emulation _and_ a Hypersaw emulation ("Multisaw"). I don't know how close it is to a real JP but I expect that it nails it very close. Maybe I missed it but people don't speak a lot about this?

Btw... is Hypersaw the same as Supersaw or only a different name for the same thing?

[EvilDragon]

Diva's JP osc is scarily close to the original JP8000. And even better in some regards (HQ mode with greatly reduced aliasing, you can modulate both parameters for all waveforms, which you can't on JP8k...).


Hypersaw is on Virus and contains (up to - IIRC but not sure you can select the number of) 9 saws. Supersaw is on Rolands and is 7 saws.

[chk071]

The interesting thing is.. so many people are always on search for this "Hypersaw" sound. IMO also Sylenth was inspired not only by the Virus but also to have a sound which goes a bit in this direction.
Diva has a JP8080 emulation _and_ a Hypersaw emulation ("Multisaw"). I don't know how close it is to a real JP but I expect that it nails it very close. Maybe I missed it but people don't speak a lot about this?

Btw... is Hypersaw the same as Supersaw or only a different name for the same thing?

Diva is a synth mostly meant to be an analog emulation playground, so maybe people wouldn't buy it for the JP-8xxx emulation alone. Just a guess.

[The_Hidden_Goose]

I'm putting on my armor plated suit for this.

I honestly don't get the Sylenth hype. I'm fortunate enough to have been stuck in a hardware studio (no PC) until 2013. So as far as I was concerned, the first time I ever heard or Sylenth was the first time I ever heard of just about any other synth that was available in July of 2013.

So when I heard the sound of Zebra 2 and saw what it was architecturally capable of and then heard the sound of Sylenth and did the same and saw that, in US dollars, there was only about a $40 difference in price, I was like WTF?

How people will pay $158 for a synth that does a fraction of what a ton of other synths in its price range and slightly higher can do, for what is now 8 year old technology, for a sound that, personally, I don't think is all that off the charts amazing, baffles me to no end.

Yeah, I get it. People love Sylenth. Yay for Sylenth. But if I was told I had to buy every VST in existence, Sylenth would be close to the bottom of the list as far as value, bang for the buck, or whatever you want to call it goes. Hive blows it away as far as features and I didn't even buy it. Why? Because Zebra 2 is a much more versatile synth and I can get just about any sound out of it that I want including all the EDM "buzz, bing wub wub whatever" the the so called top "EDM" synths can generate.

So now you can all get out your pitch forks, slings, arrows, shotguns or whatever you want to fire at me but Sylenth is one of the most overhyped and overrated synths that I've found since I've been into PC recording.

Have to agree. Never been keen on it. Maybe it's me, and I'm not intuitively getting the best out of it, but every time I tried it I was left feeling...well, nothing.

To be honest that's why I've not gotten into Hive - because of the perceived "Sylenth replacement/alternative" status that gets bandied around. Ought to give it a chance really,but I'm trying not to buy things that I don't need atm, and I'm not convinved I need it right now. Maybe when I have more disposable money eating away at my pockets...