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ATS · Post by **ATS** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:35 pm

It really does seem like Native Instruments is falling way behind at least as far as their GUIS.

pixel85 · Post by **pixel85** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:41 pm

EvilDragon wrote:Except it's not made from Reaktor Blocks, just made to look in similar vein. It's a standalone synth unrelated to Reaktor.

Don't take my rant too serious

I simply moaning because I want Massive X to be next big thing. Just this year original Massive serves me for games/video sound design in 99 of 100 times. Having it for so many years and now I'm using it as frequently as never before. I really hope that Massive X gives me even more possibilities. I want to make new sci-fi UI sounds with it

I want to see depth video sooooo much

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:56 pm

Caine123 wrote:scrolling through a library full of libraries, instruments etc. is such a pain!

Well, you can search the Libraries tab by name or vendor name, since K5.8, so having lots of libraries in there is not such a huge obstacle anymore (I find, personally). Can also make your own layout in Quickload...

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:09 pm

ATS wrote:It really does seem like Native Instruments is falling way behind at least as far as their GUIS.

Definitely.
Although I guess we don’t know yet if Massive X will be resizable. Can you imagine if it’s not? Unfortunately it wouldn’t surprise me. But it would still be absurd to release a non resizable synth in 2019, so I have to assume they wouldn’t. Not having mpe will be unfortunate though. They just aren’t cutting edge anymore, they are coasting.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:54 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
Caine123 wrote:scrolling through a library full of libraries, instruments etc. is such a pain!
Well, you can search the Libraries tab by name or vendor name, since K5.8, so having lots of libraries in there is not such a huge obstacle anymore (I find, personally). Can also make your own layout in Quickload...

Out of curiosity, is there some cast-in-stone reason why moving tabs up or down takes up to a week? That's the only real UI irritant for me.

Although this isn't a super-duper-exciting release, a lot of that is just because we knew everything beforehand (that was one solid leak). Despite many already reading the last rites on Massive X, we know pretty much nothing about it yet. Kontakt 6 is a must have for serious sample library users because all developers will be jumping all over the new features. And 2 releases worth of new products (in my case) - it's actually a pretty solid buy for me.

No comments yet from anyone on Maschine Essentials - is this buyable without hardware? Details seem scarce.

DrFolder · Post by **DrFolder** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:59 pm

I'll be getting the Komplete upgrade for sure. Though I must say the announcement is the most lackluster announcement I have seen from Ni. Kontakt 6 has a screenshot of the wavetable synth being selected from a dropdown and Massive X is a screenshot lol.

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:01 pm

SLiC wrote: So instead of tackling something useful we get offered more 'piano' and 'analog synth' sample libraries and they call that a major version update! It just seems to be more of the same unwanted (to me) filler so they can say look how many gigs/instruments/stuff you get....

Making you feel estatic about how many gigs of crap you are getting is a big part of NI's marketing...

Along with the super slick ad campaigns and the designer GUI's...

In many ways I think that NI has lost the plot and they are not really listening to their customers these days...

More like the philosophy,"Build it and they will come"...

But with so many other possibilities out there,it is becoming more like,build more and more unwanted rubbish and they will go in search of better solutions that they really want...

Kontakt is the one product where NI has komplete kontrol of the market...

They've cornered the sample playback world and it's been a real goldmine for them $$$$

While I'm here,maybe someone can enlighten me on just what that trailer on the NI site for Massive X is all about ?

You get some HD sights and sounds,but no information on the actual synth itself...

Just the typical sort of BS that NI seems to be serving up these days

ATS · Post by **ATS** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:02 pm

If the ultimate collectors edition goes on sale for half off I'll get it for sure. I can wait even though i don't wanna!

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:11 pm

noiseboyuk wrote: Although this isn't a super-duper-exciting release, a lot of that is just because we knew everything beforehand (that was one solid leak). Despite many already reading the last rites on Massive X, we know pretty much nothing about it yet. Kontakt 6 is a must have for serious sample library users because all developers will be jumping all over the new features. And 2 releases worth of new products (in my case) - it's actually a pretty solid buy for me.

If you've skipped 11 then it's a better value. But, for me at least, it's more than we knew because that isn't how I make those choices. Kontakt 6 will eventually be essential, but not overnight. I'm not buying Kontakt libraries at the moment for the most part so my upgrade can wait until the convergence of that need with a sale price.

I also want Massive X. I suspect that they have incorporated what they've learned from Blocks and I expect that it will sound great. Again though, it can wait for a sale. I don't really care about TRK-01 and I don't really need another chorus plugin for the time being. Other than content, much of which I already have, I can't see the point to jumping on this. I might change my mind if it turns out that there's a lot more under the hood with Kontakt than what fits into a marketing blurb.

Every upgrade brings marginal new value at a typically fixed marginal cost. That's always the thing to look at, what new value are you getting and will those same fixed amount dollars be better spent on something else while you wait for the next version.

I think that they're a bit premature on Komplete 12 and it's aligned more with their cash flow needs than anything else. I would have preferred that they wait until Massive X is ready. That super bundle looks decent if you do orchestral stuff and you like NI's take on it. I've never even used the "sampler" stuff that comes with KU11, so I'm not going to spend all that extra money for some maschine packs.

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:28 pm

I can’t wait until they start selling “Komplete Ultimate Collectors Edition Times Infinity Plus One For Real This Time!”

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:35 pm

noiseboyuk wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:
Caine123 wrote:scrolling through a library full of libraries, instruments etc. is such a pain!
Well, you can search the Libraries tab by name or vendor name, since K5.8, so having lots of libraries in there is not such a huge obstacle anymore (I find, personally). Can also make your own layout in Quickload...
Out of curiosity, is there some cast-in-stone reason why moving tabs up or down takes up to a week? That's the only real UI irritant for me.

Just the age of the GUI showing up I guess, and some weird settings in the back end we can't do anything about probably. This is why I use Ctrl+mousewheel to jump by pages in Libraries tab and do my library dropping in chunks like that.

v1o · Post by **v1o** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:48 pm

The Maschine Mikro MK3 is a downgrade over MK2 right? Why such a TINY screen.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:54 pm

dangayle wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:Except it's not made from Reaktor Blocks, just made to look in similar vein. It's a standalone synth unrelated to Reaktor.
It clearly, unequivocally looks more like Reaktor Blocks than it looks like it’s namesake Massive. It looks like a successor in name only.

Maybe it IS Reaktor under the hood, I don’t know. Maybe it is a VST wrapper around a complex ensemble (which is my guess). If you know, give us a wink and a nudge.

Not with Massive levels of polyphony

liv · Post by **liv** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:55 pm

Looking forward to february.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:14 pm

v1o wrote:The Maschine Mikro MK3 is a downgrade over MK2 right? Why such a TINY screen.

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