Roland now into VSTi development, beginning with SH-101

[aMUSEd]

My wish would be to see urs diva/zebra/ace or any other to be honest as a plugout...3rd party possible? I wonder how long it will be before we seem then in there

No thanks... Putting Diva or Zebra into a keyboard that does not even have velocity is criminal.

Also do we know what is powering these yet? Would it have the grunt to run something like Diva?

[damoog]

Like the look and sound of the tr8'not sure bout the tb3 though...Sounds authentic but the touchscreen is off putting...why ,why a touchscreen? ok we are in an ipad era but ffs not everything has to follow suit

[fmr]

VST is a commn denominator. I hope you are right, but I don't take Roland Reps very seriously, since usually they know little about what they are talking about (just what their marketing department told them).

as far as 'VST is a common denominator'... what are you blithering on about ? 'VST' isn't as broad as you are suggesting. In fact it isn't broad at all. Maybe you use the term in a broad sense, but that doesn't make it so. "Virtual Studio Technology (VST) is a software interface that integrates software audio synthesizer and effect plugins with audio editors and hard-disk recording systems."

VST is a format developed by Steinberg. Currently, we are changing paradigms, and the question that arises is for how long can the VST format subsist. Steinberg no longer supports it, and no longer releases the SDK. What they support and promote is VST3, which is a diferent thing (since you are not involved in this, you don't know, of course). Besides, there is the paradigm shift from 32-bit to 64-bit. In a couple of years, all hosts will be just 64-bit, and using 32-bit plug-ins will be an headache. And there is the problem of supporting Mac OS X platform, where there is no major host that uses VST as it's primary format anymore. Cubase is already commited to VST3, and VST is supported in a kind of "compatible" platform (still well supported though), Logic Pro is AU only, and Digital Performer was AU only for several version and only now reintroduced support for VST as an option, mainly because of the launching of a Windows version.

Did you catch it now?

What the VST benefits is depending on the specific VST - and for what I already read, these will be limited VSTs, at most.

Please elaborate.

OK, here it is. When we are using "real" VSTs (like software only), the only limitation we have is the CPU capacity. Every time we upgrade our computer, we gain more CPU power, and are able to run more instances. Typically (you can check for the demos created for promoting the VST instruments) we create tracks with 8, 10 and more instances of the same VST.
With hardware based VSTs we are entirely dependant on the capacity of the DSP platform in use (which are way below the capacity of modern CPUs). The System-1, for example, is only able to run 4 voices of it's own synth engine, which means that, using the "plug-outs" (I will not call them VSTs for the moment), we would be able to run, at most, 4 instances of the SH-101 "plug-out", but I suspect we will be able to run just a single instance (if it will be polyphonic even is something that remains to be seen).

So, there is no advantage of this running as a VST except for the fact we have a control panel in our DAW and have total recall (hopefully - let's see if things will work, since until now we just saw "announcements" and nothing is working yet). That is something we already had in things like the Virus TI, for example, years ago, and with a much more powerful synth engine. And I saw noone posting here crying "hey, Access is doing VSTs", because it would be ridiculous.

BTW - Roland didn't even create a "VST" for the System-1 itself - why?

[fmr]

Also do we know what is powering these yet? Would it have the grunt to run something like Diva?

It's own synth engine is just 4-voice, so, I think that answers your question

[Ingonator]

With all that talk about "plug-out" and SH-101 emulations nobody seems to talk a bout the "System-1" synth which is the defaulöt synth in the Sytem-1 hardware.
Most controls at the hardware are directly related to that one.

While inspired by the components of the System 100 and System 700 this more or less includes all features of the Jupiter 8 (incl. HPF/LP combination and 12dB/24dB switch) and some more.

For that "standard" mode alone it would be interesting to check this out and bsesides taht you are able to also run other synth using those upcoming plugins (or plug-out...).

I'll try to have a look if they got a test unit it at the upcoming Musikmesse.

Also do we know what is powering these yet? Would it have the grunt to run something like Diva?

It's own synth engine is just 4-voice, so, I think that answers your question

But the standard engine is more complex than e.g. a SH-101 so i believe a SH-101 could maybe do 6 voices.


Ingo

[fmr]

With all that talk about "plug-out" and SH-101 emulations nobody seems to talk a bout the "System-1" synth which is the defaulöt synth in the Sytem-1 hardware.
Most controls at the hardware are directly related to that one.

While inspired by the components of the System 100 and System 700 this more or less includes all features of the Jupiter 8 (incl. HPF/LP combination and 12dB/24dB switch) and some more.

For that "standard" mode alone it would be interesting to check this out and bsesides taht you are able to also run other synth using those upcoming plugins (or plug-out...).

I'll try to have a look if they got a test unit it at the upcoming Musikmesse.

Also do we know what is powering these yet? Would it have the grunt to run something like Diva?

It's own synth engine is just 4-voice, so, I think that answers your question

But the standard engine is more complex than e.g. a SH-101 so i believe a SH-101 could maybe do 6 voices.

Ingo

It is indeed more complex, and, for the price announced (around 600 dollars, which will place it in the same price in euros because of the VAT), a very interesting synth. Maybe you're right. Let's see what Roland do with that power. But, at maximum, I expect one instance polyphonic. I doubt it will allow to run more than one instance concurrently.

[Dean Aka Nekro]

mod edit - although I agree with you, this post adds nothing to the info in the thread.

[ChiTown24]

[mod edit]

back to scheduled programming.

[osiris]

$599 at MF;
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/System1
So, if you order all the units individually from Mf it comes to $1596.00....
So, you can half what I pulled out my ass and shove it up yours.....

[Ingonator]

Had a look at Music Store here in germany. Price for System-1 should be 599 € (incl. VAT):
http://www.musicstore.de/de_DE/EUR/Rola ... 004461-000

Delivery is planned for 16th of April.

TB-3 is 299 €, expexted delivery next month:
http://www.musicstore.de/de_DE/EUR/Rola ... 004463-000


Ingo

[fmr]

Had a look at Music Store here in germany. Price for System-1 should be 599 € (incl. VAT):
http://www.musicstore.de/de_DE/EUR/Rola ... 004461-000
Ingo

Hooray. If this was the right price contest, I would be a winner I said 600 euros including VAT

[vurt]

Had a look at Music Store here in germany. Price for System-1 should be 599 € (incl. VAT):
http://www.musicstore.de/de_DE/EUR/Rola ... 004461-000
Ingo

Hooray. If this was the right price contest, I would be a winner I said 600 euros including VAT

no you wouldnt be a winner, sorry its closest without going over.

heres what you could have won

[sexy assistant wheels out washing machine]

[tehlord]

I'm getting my system 1 and TR8 on 21st February, I have confirmation of despatch.

Without demoing?

Cant find anywhere that will stock them until end of march

Like the look of the synth, but wont buy without a hands on demo.

So you're saying you demo'd the Venom and STILL bought it?

No, i bought it on recommendation, from ppl i trust. No regrets, great synth and it was dirt cheap(paid for itself from gigs). £1000 on two units untested isnt something i would risk.

You didnt mention where youre getting them a month earlier than everywhere else...

I was just yanking planks.

And I haven't even ordered any AIRA stuff, I just wanted to see who would bite

[UltraJv]

My wish would be to see urs diva/zebra/ace or any other to be honest as a plugout...3rd party possible? I wonder how long it will be before we seem then in there

No thanks... Putting Diva or Zebra into a keyboard that does not even have velocity is criminal.

Also do we know what is powering these yet? Would it have the grunt to run something like Diva?

It wont use x86 chips that's for sure. It would be pointless to make something external to do that. So It wont run Diva or anything else you can get on Mac or PC. These things are usually locked in and not open for 3rd party add ons. It will be SHARC hardware DSP or similar :

http://www.analog.com/en/processors-dsp ... index.html

[ChiTown24]

Also do we know what is powering these yet? Would it have the grunt to run something like Diva?

It's own synth engine is just 4-voice, so, I think that answers your question

it's own synth engine is 'just' running circuit modelling code at 32bit, 96hz ... and no limitations on patch complexity, so consider long release times with plenty of modulation... pads and the like.

the reasons it {most likely} won't be running 3rd party vst CPU pigs like DIVA will be for the reasons UltraJv illustrated. Not for lack of grunt.