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Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:45 am

Im so shocked. ... i love alchemy and always was out for news to 2.0. With the last sale and deleting topics i read here it seems all fishy and not trustable to ca anymore. They are showing the middle finger clearly. Otherwise there would be a more respectful handling with supporters wouldnt there?

Alchemy is old yeah and i think now is the best chance some known company like spectrasonics would takeover the alchemy concept. Why? Omnisphere has not such granular feature. On purpose?

Im open for any trustable and serious company. The concept vould be refreshed but please no izotope. Thoss rip offers?

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:56 am

who could do an Alchemy replacement thread? caine123?

beely · Post by **beely** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:56 am

Caine123 wrote:They are showing the middle finger clearly.

How people interpret events says more about them than about the events.

If it's a buyout, then this is unfortunately how buyouts go down, for all kinds of legitimate business reasons, like it or not.

No one is being a deliberate asshat.

samsam · Post by **samsam** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:02 pm

Mushy Mushy wrote:who could do an Alchemy replacement thread? caine123?

Ha!

OP - Maybe you could consider Sylenth?

audiosabre · Post by **audiosabre** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:36 pm

I think Harmor can do a few things Alchemy can in terms of resynthesis and VA. I'd even say the resynthesis is better on Harmor, if you want a sound close to the source material. However, the spectral & granular stuff isn't there, and Alchemy has more options for creative resynthesis.

Harmor's modulation is nowhere near as flexible as Alchemy. It's also a lot harder to wrap your head around some of Harmor's features and methods. Harmor does have a similar set of onboard effects though.

Having said all that, I use both synths for different things, and will continue using Alchemy as long as it works. Harmor too. I don't care how "old" Alchemy is, it still sounds amazing, and the workflow is well optimized. It's a deep synth that will (hopefully) keep me entertained for years to come.

TonyVegas · Post by **TonyVegas** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:26 pm

How about Uhe? I don't think they released a synth yet this month. Maybe they could get their graphics guy to re-skin Zebra in time for a release by next Monday or so?

mutantdog · Post by **mutantdog** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:28 pm

Alchemy's VA oscillators have 600 voice unison, 4 of them! I can see the Hive feature request getting bigger.

chroma · Post by **chroma** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:55 pm

audiosabre wrote:I think Harmor can do a few things Alchemy can in terms of resynthesis and VA. I'd even say the resynthesis is better on Harmor, if you want a sound close to the source material. However, the spectral & granular stuff isn't there, and Alchemy has more options for creative resynthesis.

Harmor's modulation is nowhere near as flexible as Alchemy. It's also a lot harder to wrap your head around some of Harmor's features and methods. Harmor does have a similar set of onboard effects though.

not a power user, but if you're only talking additive, it seems that harmor is better at actually doing additive - e.g. if you want to define a formant filter, and then modulate it like a normal filter (with both filter offset & 'resonance' peaks), you can do that in harmor very easily - it's a lot harder to do in alchemy afaik as they are buried up in the oscillator itself. alchemy feels a lot more like you're using the additive/resynth section like a traditional oscillator, that then goes into a more traditional (audio-based) synth layout.

in other words, harmor feels like an additive synth trying to be more VA-like; alchemy feels more like a VA with an insanely powerful osc section. but alchemy obvious has a lot more tricks up its sleeve - there's nothing else really like it that combines (pieces of?) so many different synthesis methods together in one package, with its excellent modulation system, etc.

also, one of alchemy's unusual strengths is the remote control integration - you can use the alchemy ipod/ipad app as a touch controller to control the desktop app. that's not very common, and is a VERY cool feature... no one else really has that.... i think that might actually be the part that might have attracted buyout attention, if that's actually what happened....

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:58 pm

TonyVegas wrote:How about Uhe? I don't think they released a synth yet this month. Maybe they could get their graphics guy to re-skin Zebra in time for a release by next Monday or so?

yessongs · Post by **yessongs** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:03 pm

maybe synthmaster will add spectral and granular to its capabilities plus other as yet unknown features that can mimic those in alchemy.

FarleyCZ · Post by **FarleyCZ** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:22 pm

You would have to stich four or five major softsynth together to make true Alchemy alternative. It had it's spot that wil remain empty for a while.

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:23 pm

Maybe the company that (presumably) purchased Camel Audio could do an Alchemy replacement? Maybe they could come up with a catchy name, like Alchemy 2, or Alkemy II?

stimresp · Post by **stimresp** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:46 pm

What's wrong with Alchemy? Has it suddenly stopped working or something?

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:57 pm

stimresp wrote:What's wrong with Alchemy? Has it suddenly stopped working or something?

nope, not yet ;D, i just hoped for alchemy 2 with more improvements. the browser sucks ass

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:15 pm

The power and uniqueness came from the combined feature set of Alchemy:
1. preset macros + morphing across 8 pads and a library that made heavy use of this feature
2. decent subtractive engine
3. unique granular engine + different windowing modes
4. deep additive synthesis editing (which IMO nothing on the market comes close to achieving)
5. sample playback with SFZ sample import or single waveform import with time-stretching (plus dynamic conversion of samples to the additive and granular modes)
6. deep modulation options with a wide array of modulators
7. a large collection of preset library add-ons should you simply want to use it as a ROMpler/preset player

Depending on how you use Alchemy will alter your ease of replacing it. You'll find a few synths that do 1, tons that do 2, very few that do 3, next to none that do 4, several that do 5, fewer that do 6, and several that do 7. If you used it as a preset player you'll find a few solutions that can replace it. But something that does it all? Nothing else comes close.

I will miss it terribly once the next round of OS upgrades or DAW alterations make it finally stop working for me. I hope CA was bought out so that it can at least continue with a different company. (And please be one that doesn't encumber the product with draconian copy-protection!)

who could do an Alchemy replacement? spectrasonics?