Hello, I am producing music for some years now and i have finally some cash for a decent synth. I am making more underground music so the synth will not be used for making any kind of commercial sounds (trance, cheesy tech sound, and all that edm shit).
I am also not looking for that juno-boards of canada sounds because there are so many emulations of this synth and also some nice sample libraries for kontakt which cover this sound very well.
The synth will also NOT be used for making any old school house/acid tunes. I am leaning more towards dubby ambient/atmospheric sounds or some melodic stuff which only a few artist have mastered. If I would need to pick an artist which is the most similar to the sound i am searching that is Francis Harris.
best i name you a few artist which i find inspiring: of course James Blake, Clams Casino, The Acid, tINI, Ivvo, Vaghe Stelle, Recondite, Gold Panda, WIFE. I think for the most I search for those myth/dreamy/dark "forrest sounds"..odd sounds which you cant categorize.
I also need a good keyboard since I will also learn piano on this keyboard.
My favorite for me is now the Prophet 12 or Prophet 6... I also am looking at NL4 but i think the sounds are more "commercial" sounding that prophet? The analog keys + octatrack combo would be also be nice. I am a quick worker so the main thing is the integration of the synths with DAW which if i am well informed the prophet is not the best? also the user support is not so good or?
later on i have also discovered so much great kontakt sample libraries that I ask myself.. Can those synth compete with them? Just look at Geosonics.. how beautiful is that.
Which synths have the best integration with the DAW- for recording sounds and automatizing the parameters?
My first "big" hardware synth for around 3k €. What to buy?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 311 posts since 24 Feb, 2008
thankss!!!THIS IS BIG. if only a prophet 12 would have such integration. but that is not gonna happen or? Yeah i heard a lot about the Virus TI2 but... form the demos that i heard i didnt likeo ne single sound but jeah i believe it has a great sound making potential.
why the octatrack will not get it? and what is the difference between octatrack and the rhytm?
why the octatrack will not get it? and what is the difference between octatrack and the rhytm?
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- Banned
- 194 posts since 18 Apr, 2014 from the deserts of Sudan
Don't you have hardware dealer in your place?
I wouldn't buy expensive gear without testing it first. Just saying yt is not a very objective place to test hardware.
I wouldn't buy expensive gear without testing it first. Just saying yt is not a very objective place to test hardware.
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- KVRAF
- 14740 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
Why insisting on hardware then?
Why not get a good weighted keyboard with suitable control capabilities (tweaking knobs, buttons, etc) and a decent software synthesizer? Thought what you seem to aim at, might be more than covered with the likes of Spectrasonics Omnisphere, old Camel Audio Alchemy (now discontinued), NI Kontakt (tons of third party samples available!), kv311 Audio SynthMaster and/or U-HE "Dark" Zebra.
You'd be way below 3k as well. Unless you do want a pure hardware workstation. But then you're more into "contemporary sounds" realm with Yamaha, Roland and Kurzweil. Unless you want a Synth like the Virus TI2.
As much as I love hardware (and I do love rediscovering old gear), but the hardware controller/software combination is hard to beat at modern days and age. And it doesn't matter in a mix what you used anyway.
Why not get a good weighted keyboard with suitable control capabilities (tweaking knobs, buttons, etc) and a decent software synthesizer? Thought what you seem to aim at, might be more than covered with the likes of Spectrasonics Omnisphere, old Camel Audio Alchemy (now discontinued), NI Kontakt (tons of third party samples available!), kv311 Audio SynthMaster and/or U-HE "Dark" Zebra.
You'd be way below 3k as well. Unless you do want a pure hardware workstation. But then you're more into "contemporary sounds" realm with Yamaha, Roland and Kurzweil. Unless you want a Synth like the Virus TI2.
As much as I love hardware (and I do love rediscovering old gear), but the hardware controller/software combination is hard to beat at modern days and age. And it doesn't matter in a mix what you used anyway.
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- KVRAF
- 35689 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Yeah, wouldn't do anything without testing either.Dazed Veins wrote:Don't you have hardware dealer in your place?
I wouldn't buy expensive gear without testing it first. Just saying yt is not a very objective place to test hardware.
Make sure you test the Virus TI2 though, especially for your demands it should be a very good choice. Lots of sound designing potential, and good computer integration, so i read.
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Mister Natural Mister Natural https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=164174 - KVRAF
- 2892 posts since 28 Oct, 2007 from michigan
Yamaha Motif
expert only on what it feels like to be me
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- KVRAF
- 8237 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK
Definitely the Analog Keys
The Virus DAW integration just doesn't work that well for the majority of people with lots of timing and lost note issues.
You could always pair it up with a Virus Snow just to add a little bit of digital polyphony and still be well under €3k
The Virus DAW integration just doesn't work that well for the majority of people with lots of timing and lost note issues.
You could always pair it up with a Virus Snow just to add a little bit of digital polyphony and still be well under €3k
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
Why do you want a hardware synth? How do you imagine it will benefit your music more then just buying a good controller keyboard and some quality virtual instruments?
Don't get me wrong- I have a studio full of hardware. But if you think that buying software in a standalone box like a Virus will magically improve your sound over what you could do in the computer, you are mistaken. I also think the analog myth is overblown, and you'd be just as happy with Diva or Oddity 2 as you would with a Prophet 6 (not that I would turn one down). The only reasons to go with hardware are if you need to play out live without a computer, or you hate computers, or you are just obsessed with analog and/or the physicality of using a piece of hardware.
Don't get me wrong- I have a studio full of hardware. But if you think that buying software in a standalone box like a Virus will magically improve your sound over what you could do in the computer, you are mistaken. I also think the analog myth is overblown, and you'd be just as happy with Diva or Oddity 2 as you would with a Prophet 6 (not that I would turn one down). The only reasons to go with hardware are if you need to play out live without a computer, or you hate computers, or you are just obsessed with analog and/or the physicality of using a piece of hardware.
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
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- KVRist
- 297 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
Maybe put this in the 'hardware' section?
If the synth section of these (at least the ones that have one) are not to your taste try to keep some money for a module, like Prophet12, Waldorf Blofeld, Virus, or for a small synth to your taste that you use as sound module.
If the keys are important, don't save on these. Sound generators always can be added.
If that is of main importance something like Clavia Nord Stage 2, Korg Kronos, Kurzweil or Yamaha Motif with a good 88 keys keybed. Or a good stage piano or MIDI controller like Roland A88.kitkonis wrote: I also need a good keyboard since I will also learn piano on this keyboard.
If the synth section of these (at least the ones that have one) are not to your taste try to keep some money for a module, like Prophet12, Waldorf Blofeld, Virus, or for a small synth to your taste that you use as sound module.
If the keys are important, don't save on these. Sound generators always can be added.
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- KVRAF
- 26990 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
The tactile interface and knob per control possibilities with hardware are still better than a controller.deastman wrote:The only reasons to go with hardware are if you need to play out live without a computer, or you hate computers, or you are just obsessed with analog and/or the physicality of using a piece of hardware.
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- KVRian
- 702 posts since 19 Mar, 2014 from Denver, CO
Prophet 6 should be out since it's only 4 octaves and you also want to learn how to play piano on it.
If I were you, I'd throw that requirement out the window and get a good 88-key MIDI controller and use what you have left for a hardware synth.
If I were you, I'd throw that requirement out the window and get a good 88-key MIDI controller and use what you have left for a hardware synth.
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
Yes, that's why I mentioned the physicality of using a piece of hardware. I am NOT a fan of mapping generic controllers to virtual instrument parameters.pdxindy wrote:The tactile interface and knob per control possibilities with hardware are still better than a controller.deastman wrote:The only reasons to go with hardware are if you need to play out live without a computer, or you hate computers, or you are just obsessed with analog and/or the physicality of using a piece of hardware.
Frankly, the "learning to play piano" requirement seems at odds with the rest of this. To learn piano, you really want a proper 88 key weighted key bed. And it better make some damn convincing piano sounds. Or spend the money on the controller and get a copy of Komplete, which will give you a bunch of decent piano libraries and a ton of new synths to play with.
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
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- KVRAF
- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
+1Mister Natural wrote:Yamaha Motif
Would be excellent to learn playing piano on, and comes packed with lots of power under the hood
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MotifXF8