Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

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oscarolarte
KVRer
16 posts since 17 Sep, 2011

Post Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:27 pm

Bluether+D4 with EastWest Spaces Reverb MASTERED WITH IZOOTOPE OZONE

https://youtu.be/q2lrDaUOTVk

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fisherKing
KVRAF
1728 posts since 6 Aug, 2009

Re: Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

Post Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:47 pm

i have pianoteq, use it...sometimes. i'd say it's piano-like, but certainly not definitive. anyway, decent piece (a bad note in there, tho...) :D
always one plugin short of perfection...

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Fleer
KVRAF
3910 posts since 23 Aug, 2014 from Boston/Cambridge

Re: Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

Post Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:19 pm

You should try their new Steinway Model B.

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Mathematics
KVRist
275 posts since 10 Sep, 2015 from You haven't unlocked this character yet

Re: Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

Post Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:49 am

Great work. I personally use EW's for the Steinway D; however, I find that I have to remove ambient noise and rumble as well as noises from the samples but for the most part, it's good enough. I think Synthogy sounds great. I don't own it but I'm considering getting it some time in the future when I feel that I need something else. Right now I'm into good analog emulation but I saw the post and wanted to see the responses.
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FLWrd
KVRian
621 posts since 18 May, 2010

Re: Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

Post Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:33 am

That's a very bright piano sound, and a bit processed.

oscarolarte
KVRer
16 posts since 17 Sep, 2011

Re: Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

Post Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:26 pm

The expressiveness of PianoTeq is far beyond any sample based piano, the sound may be a little bit artificial
BUT, I've done blind test of real piano sound vs pianoteq 5, and i can tell you NO ONE IS ABLE TO TELL WHICH ONE IS THE REAL THING.

punkfest2000
KVRist
98 posts since 13 Sep, 2005

Re: Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

Post Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:35 pm

How is it far beyond any sample based piano?

Perhaps you are right that most people are unable to tell which one is the real thing, but that's true of most sample based pianos also.

Quite frankly, there is no best.

oscarolarte
KVRer
16 posts since 17 Sep, 2011

Re: Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

Post Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:47 pm

Which one is the real thing????

http://82.144.5.101/file/piano/Love_Dream-1.mp3
http://82.144.5.101/file/piano/Love_Dream-2.mp3

One is a professional recording played by one of the best pianist in the world.

The other one is MIDI and PianoTeq 5 - D4

This is like a blind test with wine, will see who knows.

prodigal_sounds
KVRer
18 posts since 17 Mar, 2008

Re: Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

Post Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:02 pm

I'll play.
Love_Dream-1 = PianoTeq
Love_Dream-2 = Real (or could be a different PianoTeq)

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bluedad
something special
8436 posts since 16 Mar, 2002 from Birmingham, Alabama

Re: Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

Post Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:06 pm

I think #2 may be the real piano; at least the one I like better than the other.

ImNotDedYet
KVRian
703 posts since 19 Mar, 2014 from Denver, CO

Re: Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

Post Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:26 pm

I think 2 is the real deal as well. The decay there sounded more natural piano sounding than the first. The first seemed to in parts have a decay that just stood still. (I usually fail miserably at these)

One thing I've found with Pianoteq is that adjustment of the velocity curve is really helpful in producing a better tone - based on the keyboard you're playing into Pianoteq.

Another thing to note is this is a solo'd comparison. For times when a piano is in a mix of instruments, it would be more difficult to tell.

Either way, both very good sounding

Arrested Developer
KVRian
611 posts since 8 Apr, 2012

Re: Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

Post Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:27 pm

my guess would be:
1) pianoteq
2) a standard midi file triggering a sampled piano.

the following is the piece played by S.Richter, it starts at 4:27:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXTgBeMr0o0

logburner
KVRist
71 posts since 12 Nov, 2014

Re: Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

Post Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:19 pm

1 is Pianoteq. Sustain and release stage sound sterile and artificial on Pianoteq.

And Arrested Developer has a good point, 2 could be a sample piano but I don't know such a good sounding piano library so my guess is 2 is a real piano.

Fantasie
KVRist
52 posts since 21 Sep, 2015

Re: Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

Post Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:07 am

I'm usually using Pianoteq for daily practice and will be surprised if 1 is not Pianoteq D4, which sounds familiar to my ears. I'd say it has brilliance in upper range but lacks a little bit of fullness and thickness in lower and mid range compared to the real one especially when played forte.
So my guess is the same as everyone above has already said. 1 is Pianoteq and 2 is the real one.
BTW in terms of the piano performance itself, I prefer 1 to 2.

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Ingonator
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12043 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany

Re: Best Piano - PIANOTEQ

Post Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:25 am

Currently concerning Acoustic Pianos i got TruePianos, the Pianos in NI Komplete 10 (e.g. The Grandeur), Arturia Piano V (in V-Collection 5), the discontinued (but still working...) Garritan Authorized Steinway and others.

Have not played very much with it yet but the new Arturia Piano V actually does not seem to be that bad, especially as i is based on pure modeling without samples (like their E-Pianos, Organs and Synths). Some Presets like e.g. "Grand Studio Piano" actually seem to be quite good. Also allows some editing of the 9 incuded models and Mic setup. The "Glass Grand" model is also quite interesting, same about the "Metal Grand".

Never really felt the need to buy Pianoteq. The basic versions seem to be a bit limited and the higher versions (Standard and Pro) are a bit expensive (i would choose at least the Standard version and for full editing you would even need teh Pro version). If you need expansion packs it get even more expensive.

Anyway i do not really focus on playing Acoustic Piano and for what i need it what i got was usually enough so far.

I am also not 100% sure if Pianoteq is really the "best one". Earlier versions IMO did not sound like a real Piano at all while the newer version indeed sound very good. Anyway due to the modeling approach it is quite verstaile and could go far beyond the classic Acoustic Piano sounds and maybe you could also do some totally new sounds with it.
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