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peterdh · Post by **peterdh** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:53 am

Hi KVR,

My beloved drum sampler/sequencer Geist does polyrhythms, but not the way I want it to work. For example: When I work with 1/16 length patterns in the 4/4 measure and I program a 14 step pattern, the 14 step pattern loops… after the 14th step, it starts again at the 15th step. What I am searching for is a step sequencer that stretches the whole area, like the image below, a 12 step pattern (1 bar with 1/8 triplets in Cubase) that stretches over the whole bar. I want a sequencer where I can program patterns with 5, 7, 9, 10 etc steps this way. Anyone?

nix808 · Post by **nix808** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:00 am

I will make it in 32 bit if you want me to.
I have built it, just need to make it have the unusual bar lengths.
It's here->
www.phonicsaudio.com
___and it's called DreamSequence

peterdh · Post by **peterdh** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:05 am

That's a really nice offer nix808! Unfortunately Dream Sequence doesn't work in my 64bit DAW

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:53 am

You want to divide a bar evenly by any number of steps? That's a Euclidean rhythm. There is a cool paper called The Euclidean Algorithm by Toussaint.
Doesn't Cubase let you divide a bar in any number of steps, and stack those sequences? (I can do it in MuLab).
There are software sequencers that do Euclidean rhythms:
viewtopic.php?p=6210297

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:41 am

If you have Reaktor 5 or higher, go to the user database and download Vss 2.5. Most complex and versatile sequencer I've ever seen. It can do anything you want it to. Just be prepared for a whopper of a learning curve.

Here's the link. It's actually up to version 2.8

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/r ... show/7749/

replicant X · Post by **replicant X** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:47 am

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wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:00 pm

Here's Michael Lanchaster's YouTube channel. He has a number of tutorials on Vss up there.

dave dove · Post by **dave dove** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:47 pm

Most of my reaktor sequencers will do this
Both polyrhythmic and Euclidean variants
Some of them will run different clock speeds for each sequencer track too

I realise the OP may not have reaktor
But it is fantastic for sequencing
The other alternative is five12 numerology

Dave

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:55 pm

dave dove wrote:Most of my reaktor sequencers will do this
Both polyrhythmic and Euclidean variants
Some of them will run different clock speeds for each sequencer track too

I realise the OP may not have reaktor
But it is fantastic for sequencing
The other alternative is five12 numerology

Dave

Yeah, for sequencing I don't think anything beats some of the stuff in Reaktor. Vss just happens to be my personal favorite because of the sheer amount of control. Does take a while to wrap your head around it though.

peterdh · Post by **peterdh** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:26 pm

Thanx guys for your quick answers!

Michael L wrote:Doesn't Cubase let you divide a bar in any number of steps, and stack those sequences?

As far as I know Cubase has dotted and triplet scales in a bar

wagtunes wrote:If you have Reaktor 5 or higher, go to the user database and download Vss 2.5. Most complex and versatile sequencer I've ever seen. It can do anything you want it to. Just be prepared for a whopper of a learning curve.

Don't have Reaktor, maybe in the future. A step sequencer not thàt complex has the advantage.

replicant X wrote:Mulab MUX have the step sequencer module that can be triggered by host

You are able to set the number of steps in the way the 12 step pattern shown in the picture of my first post? (Euclidean?)

A midi pattern drag 'n drop to my DAW would also be a nice feature

Now I am going to study further on your answers

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:14 pm

Another way that you may enjoy more is to just play each rhythm part, adding each instrument track one at a time, from simple to more complex. You can count (and turn off quantize in the drum editor to tweak it), or use a metronome and calculator. I prefer to play in order to experiment (e.g. if you divide your bar into 16, and place 5 hits somewhere in that 16, you have 4,367 possible rhythms).

Zombie Queen · Post by **Zombie Queen** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:53 pm

peterdh wrote:Don't have Reaktor, maybe in the future.

How about Kontakt?

dave dove · Post by **dave dove** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:01 pm

@wagtunes
Michael and i been cooking something up
will be up soon
i just waiting for a custom sample set

dave

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:03 pm

dave dove wrote:@wagtunes
Michael and i been cooking something up
will be up soon
i just waiting for a custom sample set

dave

Can't wait.

tl · Post by tl » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:05 pm

Maybe Modulys?!

Cheers,
tl.

In search of a “sort of” polyrhythmic sequencer vst