Mac mini 2020 M1 testing - first results
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1748 posts since 2 Jul, 2018
I just have received my Mac mini 2020 with M1 chipset. As promised I will keep you updated with my experiences.
Price was €778 (8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD)
There are no cables included except for a power-cable.
There is no handbook included.
I had no major problems with making the OS run (I did not migrate from another machine).
Only the German USB keyboard (non Apple) was not detected correctly. The @ key, which is necessary to enter the email, did not work.
Booting time is 25 seconds till the login-screen. Another 7 seconds to desktop.
Shutdown time is 5 seconds
GUI performance is good
The overall look & feel is nice
Safari works fine. Web performance is good
The Logitec G502 Mouse works fine
My LG 4K screen which is connected through USB(Thunderbolt?) works, but I have some issues. The system did not wake up, after the Energy Saver became active. I had to do a cold reset of the Mac. I disabled the energy saver as a workaround.
The screen is also not always detected.
WLAN works fine
When I click on my HD it says it only has a capacity of 245 GB, the OS also seems to need 11-30 GB (sorry I missed to do an exact measurement here, please update me with more detailed info). A little more than 210 GB free disc-space should remain in practise.
The CPU is faster than my Intel I3, but slower than my Ryzen 3800. For audio processing I'd say it is comparable to a strong Intel I7, which has 4 cores (+4 virtual ones for hyperthreading).
The Mac mini is really quiet.
Reaper does not work. The app does not launch. Apple cannot check it for malicious software. “This software needs to be updated. Contact the developer for more information.”
One day later I and many reboots later was able to make Reaper work.
Flstudio can’t be installed. Apple cannot check it for malicious software. “This software needs to be updated. Contact the developer for more information.”
After many tries and a freeze the installer it is running.
Now audio-output does not work (I didn’t change anything so far) “The required sample rate (44100 Hz) is not supported by the CoreAudio output. “Could not enable the CoreAudio device”.
Note: I got no soundcard connected to the Mac Mini. So the audio-output ‘internal speaker’ or ‘HDMI’ are available.
The Tone2 VST plugins successfully load in FLStudio.
Bitwig does not launch. I tried again half an hour later. Now suddenly 3 Rosetta installers pop up at the same time. I tried again and now Bitwig is now running in Intel mode. The interface feels a slightly ‘sluggish’ because of Rosetta. I’d say it feels similar to my Mac mini from 2018. I will need to run some more tests for a more detailed info about CPU performance.
The installers for Tone2 Saurus 2.6, Tone2 Electra 2.8 and Tone2 Icarus 2 and all other 64-bit Tone2 products did work properly from the scratch.
All Tone2 products work as VST 2.4 plugins and AudioUnits (they use Cocoa and not OpenGL). So far it seems like all 64-bit Tone2 products are compatible with Big Sur.
GarageBand works, but does not list AudioUnits (which are Intel?). There does not seem to be support for Intel-AudioUnits.
Logic Pro 10.6 (fullversion) download from “the Apple cloud” is very slow. It is only 1.1 GB and needed 30 minutes on a DSL 50000 line.
After a reboot Tone2 Saurus 2.6, Tone2 Electra 2.8 and Tone2 Icarus2 seem to work in Logic.
Ableton Live works in Rosetta. The Tone2 VST plugins successfully load
MuLab (a not so well-known host) doesn’t work at all. “MuLab cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified. macOS cannot verify that this app is free from malware.” A righ-click and Open did also not help.
Since Catalina is not longer possible to create own directories into root. Fixing it is really tricky. You need to create a symbolic link in root directory via synthetic.conf or need to switch of security completely (which will be not explained here for given reasons).
Audiounit validation is broken, which is a well-known problem since many years. But now it seems to be completely broken? The post-flight script for .pkg installers to fix it and force a restart of the scan does not longer work always. As a result “auval” does not detect recently installed AudioUnits.
Rebooting does solve the problem and AudioUnit plugins are detected.
Logging out and in may also solve the issue. I still haven’t tested it
Iceberg Packages (an App) does not launch. Apple cannot check it for malicious software. “This software needs to be updated. Contact the developer for more information.” Right-click and Open did work as a workaround.
CMake (an App) seems to work.
The XCode 12 installer (an Apple product for programming software) hangs. I get a duplicate Icon with an X in Applications which does not disappear for 20 minutes, although the software installation had already been completed successfully.
I was able to compile a VST 3.7 plugin for the M1 chipset, but had trouble. On macOS 10.14 I had placed my build directory and other stuff into root. Since Catalina is not longer possible to create own directories into root. Fixing it was tricky.
XCode 12 builds against the 11.0 SDK. There are many files missing which had been included in older SDKs. This means trouble if you want to port older projects to the M1 chipset.
XCode 11 and 10 can not be run within Big Sur. Apple did deactivate the installers. You are forced to use XCode 12. All programmers need to migrate their projects to XCode 12, which can be problematic if you used for example gcc as a compiler.
Not all IPad Apps are available. I have been looking forward to be finally able to play “The Elder Scrolls: Blades”. However it is not available in the App Store. It seems that quite a few devs do not want to see their IPad Apps on the mac.
Summary:
Apps that run in Rosetta feel slightly laggy to mouse-clicks. It is not a big issue. Most users won’t even notice it.
The GUI performance of Apps running in Rosetta is fine. Everything looks smooth.
For audio-applications the performance seems to be similar to a strong Intel I7 with 4 cores.
Some software works. Some does does not work at all. Some software works, but still has issues.
Audiounits are not detected after an installation. Rebooting Big Sur after a plugin-installation does solve the issue.
Not all IPad Apps are available.
There are still issues with hardware-compatibility.
It is not possible to add RAM to the Mac Mini M1 or to replace the SSD.
Apple did not fix bugs which are known since many years (Audio Unit validation, German keyboards).
If you used macOS 10.14 or lower you will notice that it is not longer possible to create own directories into root easily.
Apples words that ‘developers can port their software with a few mouseclicks’ are not true. Porting software to the M1 chipset can be easy, but can also be difficult or even nearly impossible. Ports to the M1 chipset might never happen for many older products, because companies will have to make an economic decision.
You can currently run much Intel software with Rosetta2. However history has shown that Apple did remove Rossetta1 (used for the Intel transition from PowerPC) only after two years. As soon as Rosteta2 will be removed you will not longer be able to use older Intel Apps.
With Big Sur there seem to be problems with Certificates and Notarisation. It affects installers as well as apps. It could be related to a server problem on Apple’s side. Currently only a part of the software-installers work without problems. If it fails it sometimes helps to try again later
Price was €778 (8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD)
There are no cables included except for a power-cable.
There is no handbook included.
I had no major problems with making the OS run (I did not migrate from another machine).
Only the German USB keyboard (non Apple) was not detected correctly. The @ key, which is necessary to enter the email, did not work.
Booting time is 25 seconds till the login-screen. Another 7 seconds to desktop.
Shutdown time is 5 seconds
GUI performance is good
The overall look & feel is nice
Safari works fine. Web performance is good
The Logitec G502 Mouse works fine
My LG 4K screen which is connected through USB(Thunderbolt?) works, but I have some issues. The system did not wake up, after the Energy Saver became active. I had to do a cold reset of the Mac. I disabled the energy saver as a workaround.
The screen is also not always detected.
WLAN works fine
When I click on my HD it says it only has a capacity of 245 GB, the OS also seems to need 11-30 GB (sorry I missed to do an exact measurement here, please update me with more detailed info). A little more than 210 GB free disc-space should remain in practise.
The CPU is faster than my Intel I3, but slower than my Ryzen 3800. For audio processing I'd say it is comparable to a strong Intel I7, which has 4 cores (+4 virtual ones for hyperthreading).
The Mac mini is really quiet.
Reaper does not work. The app does not launch. Apple cannot check it for malicious software. “This software needs to be updated. Contact the developer for more information.”
One day later I and many reboots later was able to make Reaper work.
Flstudio can’t be installed. Apple cannot check it for malicious software. “This software needs to be updated. Contact the developer for more information.”
After many tries and a freeze the installer it is running.
Now audio-output does not work (I didn’t change anything so far) “The required sample rate (44100 Hz) is not supported by the CoreAudio output. “Could not enable the CoreAudio device”.
Note: I got no soundcard connected to the Mac Mini. So the audio-output ‘internal speaker’ or ‘HDMI’ are available.
The Tone2 VST plugins successfully load in FLStudio.
Bitwig does not launch. I tried again half an hour later. Now suddenly 3 Rosetta installers pop up at the same time. I tried again and now Bitwig is now running in Intel mode. The interface feels a slightly ‘sluggish’ because of Rosetta. I’d say it feels similar to my Mac mini from 2018. I will need to run some more tests for a more detailed info about CPU performance.
The installers for Tone2 Saurus 2.6, Tone2 Electra 2.8 and Tone2 Icarus 2 and all other 64-bit Tone2 products did work properly from the scratch.
All Tone2 products work as VST 2.4 plugins and AudioUnits (they use Cocoa and not OpenGL). So far it seems like all 64-bit Tone2 products are compatible with Big Sur.
GarageBand works, but does not list AudioUnits (which are Intel?). There does not seem to be support for Intel-AudioUnits.
Logic Pro 10.6 (fullversion) download from “the Apple cloud” is very slow. It is only 1.1 GB and needed 30 minutes on a DSL 50000 line.
After a reboot Tone2 Saurus 2.6, Tone2 Electra 2.8 and Tone2 Icarus2 seem to work in Logic.
Ableton Live works in Rosetta. The Tone2 VST plugins successfully load
MuLab (a not so well-known host) doesn’t work at all. “MuLab cannot be opened because the developer cannot be verified. macOS cannot verify that this app is free from malware.” A righ-click and Open did also not help.
Since Catalina is not longer possible to create own directories into root. Fixing it is really tricky. You need to create a symbolic link in root directory via synthetic.conf or need to switch of security completely (which will be not explained here for given reasons).
Audiounit validation is broken, which is a well-known problem since many years. But now it seems to be completely broken? The post-flight script for .pkg installers to fix it and force a restart of the scan does not longer work always. As a result “auval” does not detect recently installed AudioUnits.
Rebooting does solve the problem and AudioUnit plugins are detected.
Logging out and in may also solve the issue. I still haven’t tested it
Iceberg Packages (an App) does not launch. Apple cannot check it for malicious software. “This software needs to be updated. Contact the developer for more information.” Right-click and Open did work as a workaround.
CMake (an App) seems to work.
The XCode 12 installer (an Apple product for programming software) hangs. I get a duplicate Icon with an X in Applications which does not disappear for 20 minutes, although the software installation had already been completed successfully.
I was able to compile a VST 3.7 plugin for the M1 chipset, but had trouble. On macOS 10.14 I had placed my build directory and other stuff into root. Since Catalina is not longer possible to create own directories into root. Fixing it was tricky.
XCode 12 builds against the 11.0 SDK. There are many files missing which had been included in older SDKs. This means trouble if you want to port older projects to the M1 chipset.
XCode 11 and 10 can not be run within Big Sur. Apple did deactivate the installers. You are forced to use XCode 12. All programmers need to migrate their projects to XCode 12, which can be problematic if you used for example gcc as a compiler.
Not all IPad Apps are available. I have been looking forward to be finally able to play “The Elder Scrolls: Blades”. However it is not available in the App Store. It seems that quite a few devs do not want to see their IPad Apps on the mac.
Summary:
Apps that run in Rosetta feel slightly laggy to mouse-clicks. It is not a big issue. Most users won’t even notice it.
The GUI performance of Apps running in Rosetta is fine. Everything looks smooth.
For audio-applications the performance seems to be similar to a strong Intel I7 with 4 cores.
Some software works. Some does does not work at all. Some software works, but still has issues.
Audiounits are not detected after an installation. Rebooting Big Sur after a plugin-installation does solve the issue.
Not all IPad Apps are available.
There are still issues with hardware-compatibility.
It is not possible to add RAM to the Mac Mini M1 or to replace the SSD.
Apple did not fix bugs which are known since many years (Audio Unit validation, German keyboards).
If you used macOS 10.14 or lower you will notice that it is not longer possible to create own directories into root easily.
Apples words that ‘developers can port their software with a few mouseclicks’ are not true. Porting software to the M1 chipset can be easy, but can also be difficult or even nearly impossible. Ports to the M1 chipset might never happen for many older products, because companies will have to make an economic decision.
You can currently run much Intel software with Rosetta2. However history has shown that Apple did remove Rossetta1 (used for the Intel transition from PowerPC) only after two years. As soon as Rosteta2 will be removed you will not longer be able to use older Intel Apps.
With Big Sur there seem to be problems with Certificates and Notarisation. It affects installers as well as apps. It could be related to a server problem on Apple’s side. Currently only a part of the software-installers work without problems. If it fails it sometimes helps to try again later
Last edited by Markus Krause on Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:54 am, edited 16 times in total.
- KVRAF
- 15281 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland
Sounds familiar, the detected layout is not good enough for European keyboards.Markus Krause wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:40 pm Only the German USB keyboard (non Apple) was not detected correctly. The @ key, which is necessary to enter the email, did not work.
Did you get that sorted?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1748 posts since 2 Jul, 2018
Yes. On installing I think pressed SHIFT+2 to get the @. It took some try and error to find it out.
Later I opened the keyboard preferences and selected "German - Standard". Then it did work.
I am using a German ISO layout.
Later I opened the keyboard preferences and selected "German - Standard". Then it did work.
I am using a German ISO layout.
- KVRAF
- 1877 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA
For the "malicious software" issue, did you right-click the app and choose Open? If not, that's your fix. That's been the case since midway through High Sierra.
Also, if you download the Catalina version of Reaper, it will just work, since it's signed. It's running fine on my M1 Mini.
For many AUs, you will need to run this against the component bundle:
Also, if you download the Catalina version of Reaper, it will just work, since it's signed. It's running fine on my M1 Mini.
For many AUs, you will need to run this against the component bundle:
Code: Select all
sudo xattr -rd com.apple.quarantine <path of component>
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- KVRian
- 839 posts since 25 Jan, 2014
Thanx for that...
Is it quiet ? I think it should run cooler than Intel... Have you tried to load big project in Ableton ? You got Xfer Serum ?
Is it quiet ? I think it should run cooler than Intel... Have you tried to load big project in Ableton ? You got Xfer Serum ?
- KVRAF
- 1877 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA
Just installed the latest Serum. Works fine as a VST and an AU in Reaper. Works fine as an AU in Logic.
Word from the field is that almost all plugins just work, cross architecture.
Hosting AU would not run until I dequarantined it from Terminal. Then it was fine:
I loaded it up with Serum and FabFilter Pro R. Worked flawlessly.
If anyone would like me to test any given plugin, let me know. I have tons, and can try them.
If any developers would like assistance with testing, I'm happy to help. But I don't want to use up an Ableton activation on that box. I'm putting stuff that doesn't use up activations on it mostly for curiosity's sake. I have no plans to use it as a DAW. I will be doing live audio/video streaming with it eventually, once RogueAmoeba's stuff is working.
Word from the field is that almost all plugins just work, cross architecture.
Hosting AU would not run until I dequarantined it from Terminal. Then it was fine:
Code: Select all
sudo xattr -rd com.apple.quarantine /Applications/Hosting\ AU.app
If anyone would like me to test any given plugin, let me know. I have tons, and can try them.
If any developers would like assistance with testing, I'm happy to help. But I don't want to use up an Ableton activation on that box. I'm putting stuff that doesn't use up activations on it mostly for curiosity's sake. I have no plans to use it as a DAW. I will be doing live audio/video streaming with it eventually, once RogueAmoeba's stuff is working.
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- KVRAF
- 1877 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA
It's absolutely silent. I'm currently indexing my Logos Bible library, at >400% cpu sustained, for the past 15 minutes. No fan noise at all. If I feel the air vent, I can just barely feel a bit of warm air coming out, but I can't hear anything. On my 16" Macbook Pro, I'd be listening to a jet engine.
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- KVRAF
- 5179 posts since 16 Nov, 2014
I heard bad things about Native Access...that it will not even install on apple silicon. I hope that is not true because that would be a big bummer and reason to return it and wait a year since i think N.I. will take a very long time to get things right then. But a lot important tools are Kontakt based for me i could not live without for months or so.
Anyone want to try it?
Anyone want to try it?
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- KVRian
- 839 posts since 25 Jan, 2014
You ordered an M1 without knowing if your main tool will work while it's a reason for you to return it if it doesn't work ? Native Instruments doesn't even support Big Sur even on Intel right now...Cinebient wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:14 pm I heard bad things about Native Access...that it will not even install on apple silicon. I hope that is not true because that would be a big bummer and reason to return it and wait a year since i think N.I. will take a very long time to get things right then. But a lot important tools are Kontakt based for me i could not live without for months or so.
Anyone want to try it?
- KVRAF
- 1877 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA
There is nothing to try. There's no crash or anything. Native Instruments specifically prevents Native Access from installing anything on an Apple Silicon machine. This is likely not because it won't work, but because they haven't done anything to support it officially yet, and they don't want anyone installing it unofficially.Cinebient wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:14 pm I heard bad things about Native Access...that it will not even install on apple silicon. I hope that is not true because that would be a big bummer and reason to return it and wait a year since i think N.I. will take a very long time to get things right then. But a lot important tools are Kontakt based for me i could not live without for months or so.
Anyone want to try it?
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- KVRian
- 839 posts since 25 Jan, 2014
Does VPS Avenger works on M1 chip ?