What's your opinion ? If I create this topic, it is because I have no knowledge at all about that kind of problem.
Do we need to have an excellent hearing to produce ?
Or can we go into serious projects (i.e making commercial quality records) while having hearing loss ?
Here you can see my hearing : https://www.noelshack.com/2017-33-1-150 ... gramme.png
Is it still possible to produce correctly with hearing loss ?
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- KVRAF
- 35650 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Just take a look at Wolfgang Palm. Still able to develop soft synths. And you can be sure that he has literally nothing left over 4 kHz. 
Of course, really depends on the kind of "hearing loss". That's a pretty loose terminology. Could be anything, from a high frequency cut, to being deaf on one ear, or being generally hearing-impaired.
Of course, really depends on the kind of "hearing loss". That's a pretty loose terminology. Could be anything, from a high frequency cut, to being deaf on one ear, or being generally hearing-impaired.
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thecontrolcentre wrote:When you say "hearing loss" ... just how bad do you mean?
Here is my curve : https://www.noelshack.com/2017-33-1-150 ... gramme.png
OG : left hear/OD =right hear
When I take a song and I compare the two ears, my left hear is a little bit more muffled, less clearer, with high quieter.
Nothing very important, altough I can make a difference when comparing A/B.
My audition as nothing that can be compared with the simulated hearing loss that we can find on the net.
A guy I know said me that I should stop doing this, and try to keep it as a simple hobby, because if you have damaged hear, even if it is subtle, you'll not be able to make a proper work in audio engineering (altough I am not an audio engineering, but I took music production as seriously as I can).
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But Beethoven was not producing anything, he was not a sound engineer.Distorted Horizon wrote:Beethoven.
I mainly speak about mixing, even if I took the word "producer".
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[quote="chk071"]Just take a look at Wolfgang Palm. Still able to develop soft synths. And you can be sure that he has literally nothing left over 4 kHz.
Interesting !
Interesting !
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- KVRAF
- 35650 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I hear worse on my right ear too. Not much though. I have a bit of issues with the circulation, which seems to be a inheritted thing, because it's quite common in my family. Tinnitus, sudden deafness, that sort of stuff. I also had many, many middle ear inflammations in my youth.
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experimental.crow experimental.crow https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6258
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time to climb on out of that belltower , i'm thinking ...
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chk071 wrote:I hear worse on my right ear too. Not much though. I have a bit of issues with the circulation, which seems to be a inheritted thing, because it's quite common in my family. Tinnitus, sudden deafness, that sort of stuff. I also had many, many middle ear inflammations in my youth.
Ok ! And does it even disturb you in your mixing (if you mix) works ?
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- KVRAF
- 35650 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I don't do mixing really. Sometimes it is a bit confusing when you listen to music, or play games with headphones, because it seems that the balance is too much to the left side, so i have to remind myself that it's my hearing.NotreDame wrote:chk071 wrote:I hear worse on my right ear too. Not much though. I have a bit of issues with the circulation, which seems to be a inheritted thing, because it's quite common in my family. Tinnitus, sudden deafness, that sort of stuff. I also had many, many middle ear inflammations in my youth.
Ok ! And does it even disturb you in your mixing (if you mix) works ?
As i mentioned, it is not too severe though, i'm sure most people wouldn't even notice it, frankly.-
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The bell's, the bells ...NotreDame wrote:experimental.crow wrote:time to climb on out of that belltower , i'm thinking ...
What do you mean ?
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- KVRian
- 1085 posts since 21 Nov, 2005
I have a tailoff above 4kHz, I can still hear higher frequencies but just not as clearly. I think it's a combined result of tinnitus, numerous ear infections and inflammations over the years and not protecting my ears at gigs and clubs throughout the years. Tbh though, most of the good stuff is under 4kHz anyway and I can always solo the higher frequencies at a slightly higher volume to see how they balance with the rest of the sounds. There are workarounds and it shouldn't stop you being able to make good mixes if you concentrate on the spectrum you can hear, although others may, and probably will, disagree.
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- KVRAF
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Producing and Mixing are quite different, as you know.
Here's an awful analogy - you could be a blind sculptor, and still produce incredible works, but it would still take a lighting technician and photographer to 'reproduce' it for the world to see.
Production is like sculpting - you shape the way you want to hear the sound based on how you hear it, he sculpts based on what he can feel. The lighting technician and photographer take the mixing and mastering roles.
If you are not a blind sculptor, you could also take lighting and photography education to show your work in the best 'light', much like a producer can choose to also learn about mixing and mastering.
Consider though, if you will, Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys was mostly deaf in one ear, that didn't stop him producing music. Or mixing it for that matter.
Mixing/audio engineering is a different matter. It's that person's job to shape the sound best for the medium/room/whatever and with that you can probably get away with normal age-related high frequency loss, but once you get severe loss in the low thousands you'll need a lot of monitoring tools and reference material to ensure you are still mixing for the standard ear.
So, in a nutshell, no reason why not! (I've got plenty of producing pals who ears were destroyed in the 80/90's, and sure, the mixes might be a bit trebly, nothing which can't be fixed by someone who DOES have a good ear)
Here's an awful analogy - you could be a blind sculptor, and still produce incredible works, but it would still take a lighting technician and photographer to 'reproduce' it for the world to see.
Production is like sculpting - you shape the way you want to hear the sound based on how you hear it, he sculpts based on what he can feel. The lighting technician and photographer take the mixing and mastering roles.
If you are not a blind sculptor, you could also take lighting and photography education to show your work in the best 'light', much like a producer can choose to also learn about mixing and mastering.
Consider though, if you will, Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys was mostly deaf in one ear, that didn't stop him producing music. Or mixing it for that matter.
Mixing/audio engineering is a different matter. It's that person's job to shape the sound best for the medium/room/whatever and with that you can probably get away with normal age-related high frequency loss, but once you get severe loss in the low thousands you'll need a lot of monitoring tools and reference material to ensure you are still mixing for the standard ear.
So, in a nutshell, no reason why not! (I've got plenty of producing pals who ears were destroyed in the 80/90's, and sure, the mixes might be a bit trebly, nothing which can't be fixed by someone who DOES have a good ear)