KVR Audio

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:44 pm

The new policy of Plugin Alliance is pretty annoying, isn‘t it?

EDIT March 8th:
Policy is now officially corrected, thanks guys!

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:48 pm

Which part, specifically, is concerning? Seems reasonable to me.

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:57 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:48 pm Which part, specifically, is concerning? Seems reasonable to me.

Ask the sellers in the Sell&Buy thread for example...

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:58 pm

Doesn't seem that bad if you're not in the second hand license selling business.

The only thing that my be concerning is that the license becomes NFR after second transfer.

kovacs · Post by **kovacs** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:05 pm

Does this apply to only PA branded licenses, or any plugin bought via PA?

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:22 pm

kovacs wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:05 pm Does this apply to only PA branded licenses, or any plugin bought via PA?

Any plugin.

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:23 pm

robotmonkey wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:58 pm Doesn't seem that bad if you're not in the second hand license selling business.

The only thing that my be concerning is that the license becomes NFR after second transfer.

Concern is concern...

jbarish · Post by **jbarish** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:26 pm

Very short sighted of PA. They think it will help their business but it will drive more people away. I'm no longer interested in purchasing any of their plugs because of this new policy. And I'm not in the plugin reselling business.

Tappistry · Post by **Tappistry** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:28 pm

I’m actually surprised they didn’t impose limits like this sooner. The monthly vouchers are pretty generous, since they can be stacked on top of monthly/seasonal discounts.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:29 pm

robotmonkey wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:58 pm Doesn't seem that bad if you're not in the second hand license selling business.

The only thing that my be concerning is that the license becomes NFR after second transfer.

Yes that is a bizarre thing. PA make a little on every transfer so they're effectively cutting off their own ability to turn profit. Plus, it's unfair on that individual that for no reason related to his or herself, suddenly has less rights than the previous 'owner'.

Shalotta · Post by **Shalotta** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:38 pm

Heard about it on MP,
the first concerning part was it is awfully hedged,
some passages caused more "what if" questions than a streamlined understanding.

2nd hand items now have to be declared as NFR if this is the case
and the additional high transfer fee mutates a customer into a strategic calculator
if plugins don`t serve any longer or money is needed.

If I get it right,
long-term customers are annoyed of not having ben prepared via info in advance,
means those who invested, paid money to support the company feel overwhelmed.

Interesting thread, thanks Martin for creating it.

yehboy1 · Post by **yehboy1** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:40 pm

So a $20 transfer fee AND the transferee gets an NFR license?

martinjuenke · Post by **martinjuenke** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:06 pm

yehboy1 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:40 pm So a $20 transfer fee AND the transferee gets an NFR license?

Seems so.

db3 · Post by **db3** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:22 pm

martinjuenke wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:06 pm
yehboy1 wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:40 pm So a $20 transfer fee AND the transferee gets an NFR license?
Seems so.

Disappointing

systmu · Post by **systmu** » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:29 pm

robotmonkey wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:58 pm The only thing that my be concerning is that the license becomes NFR after second transfer.

No it's First Transfer, not second. IF I buy it new and sell it. IT is NFR. "Licenses that were previously transferred to you" Meaning any licenses transferred to you. I know firsthand I bought Black box from someone who got it new for like $150. And now I'm out cause it's not listed in my transferable license. This is honestly inconceivable from a supposed first grade company.

Plugin Alliance new transfer policy caused concerns and is corrected...