Is propellerhead the next cakewalk?

[V0RT3X]

I am curious what other users are predicting.

[chk071]

You mean if they pack in, and go home? Naah... don't think so. Cakewalk has been struggling for years and years. I don't see that with Propellerhead at all.

[THE INTRANCER]

They will be if they don't get that GUI scaling sorted in the next 5 to 10 years.

[sfxsound3]

YES it is! YES they are! And that's fine!

[telecharge]

I don't see how, considering they received significant investment earlier this year.
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Stranger things have happened, I suppose, but Gibson has a money problem.

[DrFolder]

I'm not familiar with the Cakewalk ref but i've been really happy with Propellerheads lately. Constant updates, love the new synths and pdc and vsts have been working great for me. I'm impressed with the performance even though 9 was a bit better in that department but I'm positive it will just be improved in future updates...which are frequent.

[Spencer Maddox]

These two don't seem comparable. Correct me if I am wrong but Propellerhead is an independent company right? The demise of cakewalk was much in the fact that their parent company Gibson is loosing cash and couldn't hold on to them anymore.
And Reason has a major GUI issue coming soon but as of right now Reason 10 is selling well, and winning awards. It doesn't feel as they are going anywhere yet.

[Coxy]

I don't see how, considering they received significant investment earlier this year.
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From a venture capitalist firm, in which Propellerhead now have to provide a tangible ROI on as well as likely other expenses like 'profesional asset management services' and interest payments each tick. If they were successful in what they've doing, why the need to attract additional money to the table from a VC? They should of built large cash reserves from their own operations over the last 20 odd years.

Majority buyout from a VC firm is not usually synonymous with the term beneficial to the end user.

Having said that they may look to "improve efficiencies" within the business which could net positive results if it (the PropHead Company) is outdated, bloated or slow in progress or process etc. Which in my opinion it is.

Make or break probably. In my opinion break. If they are still here in 5 years time in the same guise, honestly, I'd be very surprised.

[jancivil]

Fish.

[telecharge]

Majority buyout from a VC firm is not usually synonymous with the term beneficial to the end user.

I wasn't suggesting otherwise, just that the circumstances are quite different. I think both companies still have great potential.

[DrFolder]

I haven't done a search but I'm guessing that there is 50 threads in the last 10 years on Kvr containing " Propellerheads cannot survive if they don't add Pdc, Vsts, comping, upgrade prices etc" in the contents. They are still here and doing well. I may be naive but do competing companies start threads on popular forums to raise doubt in their users? (I'm not accusing the original poster).

[chk071]

I haven't done a search but I'm guessing that there is 50 threads in the last 10 years on Kvr containing " Propellerheads cannot survive if they don't add Pdc, Vsts, comping, upgrade prices etc" in the contents. They are still here and doing well. I may be naive but do competing companies start threads on popular forums to raise doubt in their users? (I'm not accusing the original poster).

I don't think so. It's just that many don't seem to be able to accept and respect something they cannot understand. TBH, i'm having a hard time understanding the actual appeal of Reason too, but, it seems to work for their users. IMO, they appeal to make things easy, but, in fact, it makes things more difficult than other hosts, and forces you to think and act in a modular way. I just don't tick that way, and, i am way too used to having external instruments which give me much more functionality and quality than the integrated devices (i don't really blame them for that, i don't expect people who know how to code a DAW to be able to code quality instruments and fx as well).

[DrFolder]

I haven't done a search but I'm guessing that there is 50 threads in the last 10 years on Kvr containing " Propellerheads cannot survive if they don't add Pdc, Vsts, comping, upgrade prices etc" in the contents. They are still here and doing well. I may be naive but do competing companies start threads on popular forums to raise doubt in their users? (I'm not accusing the original poster).

I don't think so. It's just that many don't seem to be able to accept and respect something they cannot understand. TBH, i'm having a hard time understanding the actual appeal of Reason too, but, it seems to work for their users. IMO, they appeal to make things easy, but, in fact, it makes things more difficult than other hosts, and forces you to think and act in a modular way. I just don't tick that way, and, i am way too used to having external instruments which give me much more functionality and quality than the integrated devices (i don't really blame them for that, i don't expect people who know how to code a DAW to be able to code quality instruments and fx as well).

I completely understand where you're coming from. Sometimes I really don't feel like tackling wiring everything up but when I do I really like the crazy sequencers I can build in Reason, I was also suprised at the quality and features in Grain and Europa. At first my eyes rolled so far back in my head at another wavetable synth but I was very surpised at how good it was (my opinion of course). I was on a plane the other day and Reason was perfect for jamming around and I came up with some great stuff to use in my existing larger projects. Reason though is very dependant on the users preferences compared to other daws because of how unique it is, and not everyone is going to click with it.

[antic604]

I hope not. I was very surprised - when I purchased Reason 10 recently - how active and vibrant the community is, much more so than for Bitwig and even for Live. There's a lot of very knowledgeable people, a lot of people post their music, etc.

Obviously, the future of the company is a different matter altogether, but I'd like to think that where there are users, there are also money. Just wish Props listended to their users more, i.e. with regards to GUI scaling and workflow improvements. Also, they seem like extremely likeable people, especially the two exposed to the public the most: Matthias and Ryan. I love them & wish them well <3

[DrFolder]

I hope not. I was very surprised - when I purchased Reason 10 recently - how active and vibrant the community is, much more so than for Bitwig and even for Live. There's a lot of very knowledgeable people, a lot of people post their music, etc.

Obviously, the future of the company is a different matter altogether, but I'd like to think that where there are users, there are also money. Just wish Props listended to their users more, i.e. with regards to GUI scaling and workflow improvements. Also, they seem like extremely likeable people, especially the two exposed to the public the most: Matthias and Ryan. I love them & wish them well <3

I suppose it depends on how many developers they have and how much they get paid as to how quickly we get bug fixes and new features. Gui scaling seems like a problem with alot of companies at the moment. Props over the last year or so have tried to add as many requested features as possible in Reason like pdc and vst etc. Over half the software I use has a scaling issue on 4k screens and require almost complete rewrites to address it, Spc said they can't with the current compiler they use for Arcsyn. I'm not a code writer but wouldn't all devices and Re's require hi res jpgs to be created to address this or else it would have to become vector. Flstudio started redoing all their plugin interfaces to support it. Huge job for Reason I'm guessing.