RipX DAW vs UVR for Drum Separation

[tommyzai]

Which, in your experience, extracts drums the best, RipX DAW or UVR or Other?

[_leras]

That exact thing I can't help you with, but I can say RipX is very good. I used it to extract some vocals from a jazz/rock singer guitarist duo and it's was ve y impressive.

(Not sure it's a DAW though....)

You should try both on the material you want to use it on though and hear for your self and check the interface etc.

[tommyzai]

I can't hear the difference with most of these separators . . . very subtle in most cases. I'm just wondering what less damaged ears are hearing.

[Tj Shredder]

My feeling is they all use the same free and open source engine…
https://github.com/deezer/spleeter

[Trancit]

And I cannot help myself and I know it´s not very popular amongst many but I have the feeling you should do better your own stuff instead of robbing from others...

[jules99]

I use Stem Roller, a free app that's based on Demucs, with very solid results.

From what I've heard, Steinberg's SpectraLayers might have the edge on these, as it even separates individual drum sounds. They do have a 30-day trial version.

RipX is still one of the best, I just never clicked with its workflow.

[burkek]

And I cannot help myself and I know it´s not very popular amongst many but I have the feeling you should do better your own stuff instead of robbing from others...

That's very narrow-minded. Stem separators can be used to separate AI-generated songs in order to process vocals or instrumentation. Can also be used to eliminate voices from environments. Or grab an embedded riff to try and learn it. Or remove an instrument so you can play.

[Trancit]

And I cannot help myself and I know it´s not very popular amongst many but I have the feeling you should do better your own stuff instead of robbing from others...

That's very narrow-minded. Stem separators can be used to separate AI-generated songs in order to process vocals or instrumentation. Can also be used to eliminate voices from environments. Or grab an embedded riff to try and learn it. Or remove an instrument so you can play.

Why is that narrow minded??
-to separate AI-generated songs in order to process vocals or instrumentation
First AI generated songs is a topic to avoid anyway imho...it does no good at all but can harm a lot!
Second it´s not yours no matter what... you want to process vocals or instruments not created by you...
Do your own stuff and if you are not able to...learn it like all others did!

-Can also be used to eliminate voices from environments
Now that´s for sure a very very rare case and I am not sure how the result would sound...

-Or grab an embedded riff to try and learn it
There are enough other ways to learn... not need to learn this way by taking again something not made by you...
Second... what do you want to learn here?? How to do the exact same thing like sombody else did??

-Or remove an instrument so you can play.
This makes again just sense if you use all the other stuff not made by you...
Do your own stuff and don´t steal from others!

Sorry but I stay with my opinion... there is (mostly) no reason to use something like this apart from stealing and the inability/laziness to do your own stuff.

[M1st]

There's a new plugin, released around 3 weeks ago. It's tailor made for drums and seems to push drums separation past competition(at least on paper) with toms separation and recognizing ride and crash cymbals as separate instead of putting them into one group.

https://rebeatapp.com/rebeat

I haven't used it, and just took a quick look but what I mentioned earlier is what I would say it's USP in terms of separation besides additional features.

[n9research]

And I cannot help myself and I know it´s not very popular amongst many but I have the feeling you should do better your own stuff instead of robbing from others...

That's very narrow-minded. Stem separators can be used to separate AI-generated songs in order to process vocals or instrumentation. Can also be used to eliminate voices from environments. Or grab an embedded riff to try and learn it. Or remove an instrument so you can play.

Or when working with your own archive material where:

• the sessions have been lost over time

• the sessions are in an archaic format that can't be loaded any more

• there was never a session in the first place i.e. straight-to-stereo recording

• the individual stems of the session comprise multiple elements for whatever reason e.g. bounces

etc, etc.

In fact, this is what I've spent more time doing over the past year over anything else.

[whyterabbyt]

And I cannot help myself and I know it´s not very popular amongst many but I have the feeling you should do better your own stuff instead of robbing from others...

Makes sense, what with 'robbing from others' being the only possible reason for drum separation ever.

[tommyzai]

And I cannot help myself and I know it´s not very popular amongst many but I have the feeling you should do better your own stuff instead of robbing from others...

Makes sense, what with 'robbing from others' being the only possible reason for drum separation ever.

I have many ORIGINAL studio recordings from the 90s that either have vocals I'm not happy with or a drum groove I dig and would like to re-use. I no longer have access to the individual tracks, which are now known as "stems." So, "robbing from others" is not the only use for drum separation!

[whyterabbyt]

So, "robbing from others" is not the only use for drum separation!

Yes, well done, that was my actual point.

[tommyzai]

Back to the original topic . . . I'm looking for the best affordable drum separation option. UVR seems to work and it's free, but I have two issues with it . . .

1. 44.1k only.
2. The models are confusing and despite my efforts I have been unable to get clarification about it all. Users have to try every possible combination, hoping to dial in a decent isolated stem. And, do that over and over again for each track. My ears are ringing as it is. I can't afford to fry them by doing endless A/B-ing.

[pchase]

Sorry but I stay with my opinion... there is (mostly) no reason to use something like this apart from stealing and the inability/laziness to do your own stuff.

Get a grip. What serious musician has ever gotten good without playing any music written by others, let alone without even studying others music, which this is also useful for. You think Chopin would think people are lazy for playing his tunes? Have you ever heard of karaoke? I suppose you think people should write their own song every time they feel like singing along to something - to sing their favourite songs by others would be lazy. By the way Apple music has stem separation built in to let you sing along to songs because this is something everyone does. How lazy of them.