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core18 · Post by **core18** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:20 pm

i want to completly learn a synth i have some bacic understanding or basic synths ( i made the free patches here for phonec which is an easy synth ) but i want a pro lush sounding synth now and phonec cant do pads well , is surge good enough ? or will i need serum or synthmaster for high end music ?

core18 · Post by **core18** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:21 pm

thank u all

legendCNCD · Post by **legendCNCD** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:38 pm

Surge can do a lot and sounds very good.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:47 pm

core18 wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:20 pm i want to completly learn a synth i have some bacic understanding or basic synths ( i made the free patches here for phonec which is an easy synth ) but i want a pro lush sounding synth now and phonec cant do pads well , is surge good enough ? or will i need serum or synthmaster for high end music ?

No, Surge is super fine!

So is Vital (even the free version): https://vital.audio/
Or OB-Xd (it's free for hobbyist use): https://www.discodsp.com/obxd/
Or Zebralette: https://u-he.com/products/zebralette/

baconpaul · Post by **baconpaul** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:53 pm

core18 wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:20 pm i want to completly learn a synth i have some bacic understanding or basic synths ( i made the free patches here for phonec which is an easy synth ) but i want a pro lush sounding synth now and phonec cant do pads well , is surge good enough ? or will i need serum or synthmaster for high end music ?

I'm biased obviously, but I think Surge is definitely good enough and many folks have made pro quality music with it.

Sinisterbr · Post by **Sinisterbr** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:54 pm

IMO you picked the right one for what you want. And mind you, there will soon (I guess next month?) be a new Surge version with an improved GUI (the worst aspect of Surge, again IMO)

Sinisterbr · Post by **Sinisterbr** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:59 pm

OTOH, if you are still learning the very basics of synthesis and need something easy to understand right NOW, I'd say Vital. It's GUI is undeniably great for that.

core18 · Post by **core18** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:05 pm

Sinisterbr wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:59 pm OTOH, if you are still learning the very basics of synthesis and need something easy to understand right NOW, I'd say Vital. It's GUI is undeniably great for that.

so i know everything about synths i just dont know how to glue it to do the best patches , phonec can not do good pads and is best for lofi vhs sounds which is does good , surge does look daunting and has far too many presets which is why i havent gone into it , but im looking at synthmasters sale and thinking do i need to buy it ? would surge be much harder to master ? once i get good at it will surge give me that large sound as serum or synthmaster seems to have like i said
i can make easy patches but never got into a complex synth i want to try know thanks for advice guys

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:10 pm

Phonec can do pads perfectly fine..
Maybe stick with the basics for now and learn how to get as much as possible out just a couple of free synths.
Try some free ones and check how those feel. Vital is a good one.
I would say that Surge isn't the most obvious choice for a beginner, imho

core18 · Post by **core18** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:19 pm

exmatproton wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:10 pm Phonec can do pads perfectly fine..
Maybe stick with the basics for now and learn how to get as much as possible out just a couple of free synths.
Try some free ones and check how those feel. Vital is a good one.
I would say that Surge isn't the most obvious choice for a beginner, imho

have you made any good pads with phonec ?

core18 · Post by **core18** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:22 pm

vital looks good actually
but surge sounds good in the presets , but it doesnt sound as good as the presets on synthmaster for example
i like the look of synthmaster but id rather not spend tbh but its on sale atm

core18 · Post by **core18** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:31 pm

and please excuse my dyslexic way of typing lol .

jasonekratz · Post by **jasonekratz** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:14 pm

Surge is a wonderful instrument. Very powerful and great support.

Dirtgrain · Post by **Dirtgrain** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:26 pm

CHOOS kicks a%$ with Charlatan and Vital.

] Peter:H [ · Post by **] Peter:H [** » Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:38 pm

I think Surge is a good Synth to get deeper into sound design... it's really a very capable synth.
If you want to get an impression what Surge can do, check out the playlist of the One Synth Challenge #122 for instance (link is on the Surge Homepage as well): https://soundcloud.com/kvrosc/sets/one- ... -122-surge
Please note - The tracks were done with an older, less capable version, of Surge more than 2 years ago. But I think you can still get a good overview about what Surge can do.
Here's my contribution, a more cinematic tracks inspired by "For Whom The Bell Tolls": https://soundcloud.com/p-e-t-e-r-h/prev ... e-upon-you

surge vs paid for synths