Korg Wavestate and Opsix for Win/Mac

[DrGonzo]

synthesis noun
syn·​the·​sis | \ ˈsin(t)-thə-səs \
plural syntheses\ ˈsin(t)-​thə-​ˌsēz \

Definition of synthesis

1a : the composition or combination of parts or elements so as to form a whole
b : the production of a substance by the union of chemical elements, groups, or simpler compounds or by the degradation of a complex compound
c : the combining of often diverse conceptions into a coherent whole

2a : deductive reasoning
b : the dialectic combination of thesis and antithesis into a higher stage of truth
3 : the frequent and systematic use of inflected forms as a characteristic device of a language

[aMUSEd]

OPSix is incredible - it's pretty much what I had hoped NI would do with FM8, a FM (and more) equivalent of Massive X

I haven't had the time to check any of them out yet - but I think the OPsix is the most intriguing in my mind. Just wanting to hear your take on it - what do you find so enjoyable about the OPsix?

/C

Haven't had a lot of time with it yet but the modulation options and extensive additional sound generation options make this a semi modular beast

[Z]

I nominate Wavestate plugin of the year. Even though I haven't even tried Opsix yet.

This little sucker blew me away in a way not even Omnisphere 2 did, I mean just dial in the patch Subtle Thoughts, and you can lose yourself for hours just by holding a few chords

EDIT: Oh, and I see I have been a KVR member for 21 years. Take that, all you younglings!

[andrew71]

Wavestate really is a soundtrack machine.

Here's someone doing high quality stripped back 80's construction kits for it. Even if not to someones tastes, some might see it as an alternative to stuff, like Nexus or Avenger, when viewed like this.

I bought one of his soundbanks (the Trevor Horn one), but when imported some of the sounds don’t work. I think it’s because the custom samples aren’t linking properly. I’ve contacted the author and he has responded saying he will be able to look into it shortly. I’m certain it’s something I’ve done wrong. The sounds that do work sound great.

[Examigan]

Wavestate really is a soundtrack machine.

Here's someone doing high quality stripped back 80's construction kits for it. Even if not to someones tastes, some might see it as an alternative to stuff, like Nexus or Avenger, when viewed like this.

I bought one of his soundbanks (the Trevor Horn one), but when imported some of the sounds don’t work. I think it’s because the custom samples aren’t linking properly. I’ve contacted the author and he has responded saying he will be able to look into it shortly. I’m certain it’s something I’ve done wrong. The sounds that do work sound great.

Trevor Horn's name caught my attention so I googled that info:

[cyberheater]

Wavestate really is a soundtrack machine.

Here's someone doing high quality stripped back 80's construction kits for it. Even if not to someones tastes, some might see it as an alternative to stuff, like Nexus or Avenger, when viewed like this.

Wow. Not only is he a great keyboard player but really knows his way around the Wavestate. It sounds amazing.

[bermudagold]

By their definition Wavetables are not synthesis either since they're just a series of (much shorter) samples.

to my understanding not all wavetables synths are using short samples (pcm)...most modern wavetable synths are resynthesizing a sample and building the wavetable with additive synthesis...that's why they have partial editors...serum, vital, et al....and sound quite different from the sample...so they would be most naturally synthesis

Again there's nothing keeping you from routing an Osc that contains a series of full samples through Filters, Envs, FX, Modulation, etc just like you can a WT or FM or VA Osc.

Sure...it's great that most of the traditional synthesizer oscillator FX are now available as vst fx...so you can perform them on any stock sampler or live input like voice or guitar without having to acquire a separate synth vsti and resample...you can even string them together with instances of stock samplers in plugin rack and create your own synth architecture

I was just pushing back against the notion that "you could do it all in your DAW" which you so eloquently explained why is simply not the case.

You can...I've created wavesequences many ways lots of times...just as evolving, complex, or any other related metric as any thing I've heard from the wavestate site or videos...it just depends how crazy you want to go and how much time you want to spend getting there...when you have musical ideas and know where you want to go deterministically, it can actually be faster than more complex methods that involve more trial and error....hence wavestate including a robust tiered random button system

I still mean to demo it when I get a chance...as a fellow wusik user, I'd be interested in what you are enjoying the most about wavestate so far?...and no one ever answered about the separate sample utility...can you drag and drop or pull down menu load samples directly?...what is the advantage of the separate tool?

[greententacle]

i love the ability to have a different envelope curve for every wavestep.
freaky shitz

[DrGonzo]

Opsix really didn't do much for me playing around with the presets. Korg should have hired some hardcore FM riders to push this thing out of its comfort zone. I feel there is an insane potential here.

Well... saying it didn't do anything for me isn't exactly true. It made me open up the old M1 plugin and fell in love with it again

[aMUSEd]

Opsix really didn't do much for me playing around with the presets. Korg should have hired some hardcore FM riders to push this thing out of its comfort zone. I feel there is an insane potential here.

Well... saying it didn't do anything for me isn't exactly true. It made me open up the old M1 plugin and fell in love with it again

Yes the presets are a little pedestrian but I bought it for the sound design potential.

[Biome_Digital]

Opsix really didn't do much for me playing around with the presets. Korg should have hired some hardcore FM riders to push this thing out of its comfort zone. I feel there is an insane potential here.

Well... saying it didn't do anything for me isn't exactly true. It made me open up the old M1 plugin and fell in love with it again

Yes the presets are a little pedestrian but I bought it for the sound design potential.

Exactly that.

[kritikon]

I'm going to have to start hassling Korg. No reply from them yet...I still can't get the hw coupon code from my Opsix. TBH the hw is fairly straight-forward to use already but I like the look of the sw GUI - very easy on the eyes. It doesn't really rip my knickers but it would be a nice cherry to ice the cake with.

[mcnoone]

I tried the demo of wavestate, and liked it. I bought it right after.
I liked the variety of filters, and layering. Very dynamic sounds can be made from this.
Individual arpeggiators for all four tones is useful.

[kritikon]

Yeah - Wavestate can be a real player's synth if you patch it in depth. Tweaking each layer and various mods to bring in/out the layers etc, especially the joystick. A shame I'm such a crap player...

[DrGonzo]

When thinking about it, it's truly an interesting move that to my knowledge is the first in the business. To have a hardware and 1:1 software being on sale at the same time. I wonder what the consequences of that will be. I am sure lots of hardware owners will buy the software and lots of people who don't care about hardware will get the plugin. But I wonder how this will affect sales of the hardware. The knee-jerk reaction would be it would impact sales negatively - but I'm not too sure about that.