...in today's market and society. I am doing a research paper on WAREZ (i.e. cracked software) and was wondering what some of your thoughts were on P2P networks. Any opinions or input wiLL be very much appreciated...
1)...Can we control it in order to give manufacturers and software developers their due? How?
2)...Do you think the P2P user would purchase the software if it was not available as a crack? Or are they just browsers?
3)...In your experience (or knowledge), what sites have the most readily available files for music software? music cds? for art software? for games?
4)...with so many free resources (KVR) for free plugins, do you believe Music Software will become more affordable or that prices will continue to rise... ($2,700 for EastWest Quantum Leap Symphonic Orchestra Set and >$3,000 for WAVES DIAMOND BUNDLE come to mind)
Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts would be welcome.
School Article...WAREZ, what is the effect of them...
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- KVRist
- 121 posts since 19 Sep, 2004
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
You might wanna re word that, to say legal sites, unless you are asking for warez linksmmenta1 wrote:
3)...In your experience (or knowledge), what sites have the most readily available files for music software? music cds? for art software? for games?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 121 posts since 19 Sep, 2004
Ok, iM learning something new... Is there such thing as an ILLEGAL site? are all P2P networks ILLEGAL?Kriminal wrote:You might wanna re word that, to say legal sites, unless you are asking for warez linksmmenta1 wrote:
3)...In your experience (or knowledge), what sites have the most readily available files for music software? music cds? for art software? for games?
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- Banned
- 18651 posts since 2 Oct, 2001 from England
Well, P2P isnt illegal as such, its what you share that is illegal. Anything that isnt for redistribution or has copyright or has been cracked, is illegal.
Even sharing free plugs is illegal unless you have permission.
Even sharing free plugs is illegal unless you have permission.
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- KVRist
- 160 posts since 24 Jan, 2005 from CHICAGO
I dont believe that the fact that there are so many free resources available will have nearly as much impact on the price of software as will the huge amount of people that are and will get into computer music. That includes all the big stars and the soon to be big stars.
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- KVRian
- 1411 posts since 25 Sep, 2003 from The Dirty South, USA
P2P, in itself, isn't illegal. In fact, this kind of technology was intended to be use for good things (like sharing new information from the underground).mmenta1 wrote:Ok, iM learning something new... Is there such thing as an ILLEGAL site? are all P2P networks ILLEGAL?Kriminal wrote:You might wanna re word that, to say legal sites, unless you are asking for warez linksmmenta1 wrote:
3)...In your experience (or knowledge), what sites have the most readily available files for music software? music cds? for art software? for games?
It's bootleggers that has made P2P evil by giving away illegal copies of anything (in a form of digital medium) without the written permission of the programmmers themselves. In most cases, no one is making any profits from this activity at all.
As for copyright laws, consider your own research as a three part story:
1. music/audios
2. movies/videos
3. softwares
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- KVRian
- 1411 posts since 25 Sep, 2003 from The Dirty South, USA
2. The odds are 50/50. 50% of those who use crackwares would evenually buy the legal license copy of their favorite softwares (the increase popularity of Cubase & Pro-Tools during the early 1990's are perfect examples of this issues). Sadly, there the other 50% that will not buy anything because they (illegally) think that anything digital is a free for all (read: teenagers & low-budget adults are cheap!!!).mmenta1 wrote:
2)...Do you think the P2P user would purchase the software if it was not available as a crack? Or are they just browsers?
4)...with so many free resources (KVR) for free plugins, do you believe Music Software will become more affordable or that prices will continue to rise... ($2,700 for EastWest Quantum Leap Symphonic Orchestra Set and >$3,000 for WAVES DIAMOND BUNDLE come to mind)
4. New commerial softwares will continue to rise in price ranges (Think: Tracktion 2 being at least $50 more than Tracktion 1.6) because the labor of making quality products will increase as computers' CPU-Power increases.
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- KVRAF
- 2686 posts since 5 Feb, 2004 from Nevada City, California
[quote="mmenta11)...Can we control it in order to give manufacturers and software developers their due? How?
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it's getting easier as computing power increases to have extremely tight copy protection - when i bought my Virus synth plug-in for my Powercore DSP card - TC Electronics actually generated a personalized copy of the software that will only run on my exact DSP card due to a code implanted in the hardware..
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it's getting easier as computing power increases to have extremely tight copy protection - when i bought my Virus synth plug-in for my Powercore DSP card - TC Electronics actually generated a personalized copy of the software that will only run on my exact DSP card due to a code implanted in the hardware..
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- KVRist
- 301 posts since 5 Jun, 2004
As long as there is code to be modified warez will always be a possibility. No matter how you obfuscate, hide code, make clever serializations. It's just a matter of how skilled and determined the cracker is and and if it's worth his trouble.
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- KVRAF
- 2058 posts since 23 Sep, 2004 from Canada
TVD wrote:Teenagers & low-budget adults are cheap!!!
WOW I've just got the title for a New Track or CD project .............
Actually that should be the theme for Music Cafe's May Contest ...what do you reckon
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- KVRAF
- 1530 posts since 20 Feb, 2003
my main point about warez is always this:
- warez users will often claim that they are not 'hurting anyone' because they don;t have enough money to buy the product anyway, so no sales have been lost.
- but, while they may not have bought the expensive-to-buy cracked product, they would instead have been led to buy a cheaper product from a smaller developer; or even use some freeware from a keen newcomer.
- but instead, by using the warez, they do not buy the cheaper product, or support the new developer's freeware. they just act as pure parasites by taking something for free and giving absolutely nothing back
- warez users will often claim that they are not 'hurting anyone' because they don;t have enough money to buy the product anyway, so no sales have been lost.
- but, while they may not have bought the expensive-to-buy cracked product, they would instead have been led to buy a cheaper product from a smaller developer; or even use some freeware from a keen newcomer.
- but instead, by using the warez, they do not buy the cheaper product, or support the new developer's freeware. they just act as pure parasites by taking something for free and giving absolutely nothing back
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- KVRian
- 1411 posts since 25 Sep, 2003 from The Dirty South, USA
Controversy is near!FaX wrote:TVD wrote:Teenagers & low-budget adults are cheap!!!
WOW I've just got the title for a New Track or CD project .............
Actually that should be the theme for Music Cafe's May Contest ...what do you reckon
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- KVRist
- 109 posts since 15 Sep, 2004 from New Jersey
I kind of think that way sometimes though. . if someone couldn't buy the product no matter what, then theres 2 possibilities:Cabinfever wrote:my main point about warez is always this:
- warez users will often claim that they are not 'hurting anyone' because they don;t have enough money to buy the product anyway, so no sales have been lost.
- but, while they may not have bought the expensive-to-buy cracked product, they would instead have been led to buy a cheaper product from a smaller developer; or even use some freeware from a keen newcomer.
- but instead, by using the warez, they do not buy the cheaper product, or support the new developer's freeware. they just act as pure parasites by taking something for free and giving absolutely nothing back
a) downloads it illegally, company makes no money, he gets the product
b) doesn't download it illegally, company makes no money, doesn't get the product.
the only difference here is whether the person gets the software.. so it's actually not affecting anything but him being able to enjoy it. . in both cases it's as if the person doesn't even exist to the company because there's a 0% chance of a purchase. i'm not trying to say that pirated software is a good thing though, cause a lot of people have the money and pirate software anyway, which is an unfair loss of sales.
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- KVRian
- 520 posts since 13 Aug, 2002 from Salzburg, Austria
Some thoughts about the subject.
Regarding Audio/Movies, it is all a mess I have to reckon, at the very time someone is a little "famous" you find his CD on all streets here on Venezuela, piracy here is very high, even my friends on the institute (the most important music university here) are amking CDs and selling them just to get enough money to pay rent.
Piracy on Audio/Movies has made a tremendous impact and I cannot see any solution on the near future. I guess one of them could be by promoting more live concerts than trying to sell so much records, records that have faked/fixed/arranged/tuned art on many cases.
On the other side, how many fine (but not "commercial" to the big industry) music has been brought to the masses becuase internet and piracy? thats an interesting point.
About software, I think this case is not that bad, mostly because many people, mostly REAL users no hobbists often prefers to buy their soft to get into the community and resources behind it, most of the time the mere software is useless (or it has very little potential) if you don't get tips from official forums, talking directly with the developers, downloading tutorials, files form their website etc...
I think those BIG BIG P2P communities are bad, for me that's the extreme side of piracy. Not to mention porn and gore involved.
Piracy has made companies to raise their prices more and more, but also it helped to speed up the "free software" movement. Piracy is a very interesting subject and you cannot see it from one single point of view.
Finally, there isn't a bigger pleasure than to be able to say, I OWN my software, they deserved the money I'm earning with their soft.
Regarding Audio/Movies, it is all a mess I have to reckon, at the very time someone is a little "famous" you find his CD on all streets here on Venezuela, piracy here is very high, even my friends on the institute (the most important music university here) are amking CDs and selling them just to get enough money to pay rent.
Piracy on Audio/Movies has made a tremendous impact and I cannot see any solution on the near future. I guess one of them could be by promoting more live concerts than trying to sell so much records, records that have faked/fixed/arranged/tuned art on many cases.
On the other side, how many fine (but not "commercial" to the big industry) music has been brought to the masses becuase internet and piracy? thats an interesting point.
About software, I think this case is not that bad, mostly because many people, mostly REAL users no hobbists often prefers to buy their soft to get into the community and resources behind it, most of the time the mere software is useless (or it has very little potential) if you don't get tips from official forums, talking directly with the developers, downloading tutorials, files form their website etc...
I think those BIG BIG P2P communities are bad, for me that's the extreme side of piracy. Not to mention porn and gore involved.
Piracy has made companies to raise their prices more and more, but also it helped to speed up the "free software" movement. Piracy is a very interesting subject and you cannot see it from one single point of view.
Finally, there isn't a bigger pleasure than to be able to say, I OWN my software, they deserved the money I'm earning with their soft.